Shit’s getting wild.
Delaware says corporations can vote.
Hawaii says corporations can go fuck themselves lol
wait for the supreme court to overturn it because it “violates the free speech of companies” or sth
that’s why we need states’ rights, sothat we’re resilient against the bullshit of the fed.gov. because let’s face it, 90% of the fuck-ups happen at the fed.gov level. the municipality can do a lot of good. the city builds schools, the fed.gov goes to war with iraq.
mamdani paves the way. that’s what we need in every city. taxes should be paid to the city, not to the fed.gov. that’s what brings political power down to the lower level, closer to the people, holds politicians more directly accountable since they now live within walking distance of the population and every vote matters more on the smaller level.
Interesting that Democrats have become the party of state’s rights now.
It’s always been a defensive redoubt for the party out of power. Very popular among Democrats during the Bush and Reagan years, too.
that was trump’s plan all along :p
Absolutely. I would encourage you to give the video a watch as this part directly addresses your concerns about ‘violates free speech’ and state rights.
It’s a damn shame Mamdani is ineligible to run for president.
They really should do this with a lot more activities, make gambling legal but illegal for any corporation to be involved in. That way a couple friends can make friendly wagers but huge corporations aren’t ruining millions of lives through gambling addiction.
Instead we have it completely backwards, legal for corporations to take bets with a house advantage doesn’t matter how many people gamble their rent money away, but then if joe schmoe has poker night at his house with a few friends, he’s got to worry about the cops raiding his home.
a couple friends can make friendly wagers
This was already legal.
The prohibition on gambling is predicated on a share of the winnings going to a House. Specifically, “bookmaking”, where a broker arranged odds and returns on multiple parties. Regulated gambling is all predicated on state enforcement of fair betting procedures and machines with set odds.
Nobody was getting arrested for doing handshake bets on the Nicks playoff outcome. At the same time, no court was going to honor a lost bet as a debt owed to the winning party.
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Maybe if enough of us do it they’ll make something happen
That “something” is much more likely to be “partnering with Trump to have you labeled as a domestic terrorist and thrown in a concentration camp alongside all those immigrants with no criminal records” than “reforming the laws that allow them to engage in bribery and quid pro quo deals”
Fuck ya LETS GOOOO
Genuinely wild that democracy is propped up by private industry to ensure their own interests. Its farcical.
It’s almost like capitalism is inherently incompatible with democracy.
except all those democracies where its completely fine.
Is it though? Is it fine for the majority of people in the world that there are a few countries that extract wealth from elsewhere so that their citizens can have a better life?
Such as?
The more capitalism is limited, the better it is to live in those places. Unless of course the country is owned or populated by oligarchs, because their slaves probably don’t tip the scales on the data that gets published.
It’s certainly cheaper to bribe a handful of representatives than it is to bombard the entire population with propaganda.
Although it’s wishful thinking to suggest they won’t go back to that to get what they want.
Although it’s wishful thinking to suggest they won’t go back to that to get what they want.
Let’s hope that the oligarchs that own the news we watch, the newspapers we read, and the streaming service we consume, stay kind and don’t start using those platforms for spreading propaganda! Man I’d be so upset if it turns out that all this time I’ve been watching and reading propaganda and taking it as fact and basing my opinions on it.
With “AI” and all these new mega scale data centers popping up, they’ll be able to do both at the same time for half the price!
Can states ban corporations? That’d be nice.
Corporations are fundamentally state created entities. So in theory a state could do that.
But corporations aren’t inherently bad. For instance Municipal Housing Corporations are usually the vehicle for producing rent-controlled affordable housing.
Not for profits are also corporations.
If we want to nationalize things like energy and internet away from the private sector we would still use corporations to do that.
Ban private corporations.
Or create new structures.
Its all made up!
We can change to suit our needs.
that’s a lotta power you’re ceding to the state, mate
anarchism 😎
edit: think about it. only the state’s cronies get to keep their money when their taxpayer-funded enterprise crashes and burns?
Even in all of those cases, I’m of the view that if it isn’t a democratized organization, then it is at least a potential threat to democratized institutions.
It doesn’t take effect until 2027. So they have plenty of time to overturn it and keep cheating for the midterm elections.
I think the reason for it is if they had it take effect now it would be appealed to USSC and then stayed anyway.
Yeah. Makes sense. Still, should make the change effective immediately.
This is the equivalent of “we’re going to fix the problem next time”
It’ll never be enforced, and the Hawaii Democrats know it. I guarantee you that before the year is out the USSC will rull from the shadow docket that this is unconstitutional. Like, what type of federal government do you think is in power right now?
Does Citizens United even matter that much anymore? We’re at the point where individual billionaires are making massive campaign donations and even transparent bribes. Removing the ability for corporations to contribute to campaign finance just reveals one layer of dark money, but it doesn’t solve the problem of the power of wealth in politics.
It matters in that a lot of actors would rather remain private (as demonstrated by the very existence of super-PACs).
However, all of this money should be cut off from our elections. What other country does this? The USA has a constant campaign cycle and we’re spending an unfathomable amount of money to pitch unpopular candidates. We can do that for free, believe it or not we don’t need to buy advertising from FOX and NBC.
I’m not familiar with world-wide campaign financing rules, but it seems to me almost anything else would be preferable to corporate sponsorship and control of politics.
It would be better if the politicians wore patches on their sport coats showing who their sponsors are. Larger patches for larger donors
A state can do that? That’s AMAZING!
If this passes the courts, then this is a massive game changer. Blue states can do it, and once they start getting better, the Red states will want to it, and they can have the battle with the wealthy to remain corrupt. That will be fun to watch.
i don’t think democrats would like it
They’ll probably prefer it to the gallows. The people are really starting to get antsy.
you’re saying they would be afraid of the gallows, for the sole purpose of saying they’d do it, which would mean that we wouldn’t need to give them the gallows. that is one step away from saying we don’t need the gallows because they’d do it by themselves. that is dangerous.
The power to create and limit corporations has been the exclusive power of States for 200 years and upheld multiple times in SCOTUS.
Devils advocate:
You’re also sure it will be upheld under this SCOTUS?
SCOTUS will not have time for this before the midterms. So still a win for now.
Latest last week tonight is An eye opener on what they can really do when pressed by time and don’t give a fuck.
The “Shadow docket” says hi.
In this instance it isn’t law yet so I doubt there will be a rush to get to the SCOTUS yet, but the shadow docket is their favorite go-to with this administration to rush through whatever ruling they deem
will help Republicansimportant.
Ugh unfortunately a valid point.
Obviously not but wtf are they gonna do about it? They can’t reign in a senile clown. As if they’re gonna do anything California or New York gives a fuck about at this point.
What are they going to do?
“Corporations are people as per already established rulings.”
“Political contributions are considered speech as per already established rulings.”
“Hawaii is taking away poor poor corporations right to free speech under the first amendment, therefore it’s unconstitutional and will be made null and void. Have fun shoveling money at your chosen candidates corporations! Don’t forget my paycheck!”
Not sure what the downvotes are for unless they just don’t like having a video as a response.
I’m a bit confused on the language because he says the state the corporation was created in give them their rights, so wouldn’t any corporation not from that state be able to spend anyway?
I didn’t down vote, but I really would prefer text
My thinking is that any major corporation isn’t willing to give up business in an entire state but that’s a great question and if someone has a more definitive answer I’d love to hear it.
so wouldn’t any corporation not from that state be able to spend anyway?
I believe you are correct. This is why as many states as possible need to follow suit.
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I’m not a defeatist. I called you out for spamming, which you were, cause a mod deleted your spam and the comments where you were insulting me and others.
Your modlog is public. If you lie about it, everyone can see that you lied.
Hold for the supreme court overturning it in 4… 3…
I’m sure Clarence Thomas has a gift about it. Wait, did I say “gift?” What a silly thing to say. I meant “opinion.”
Meanwhile, Delaware is making it so corporations can vote there.
Jesus, no way? I can’t look that one up, my brain can’t handle it right now. Logging off the internet for the night…
That just means they’re desperate for votes ;)
A lot of companies are Delaware companies despite not being in Delaware.
Likely due to state corporate taxes.
These state restrictions/etc on corporate powers are for all corporations who operate in the state regardless of what state they were originally incorporated in.
So AFACT any corporation can vote in delaware, not just delaware based ones.
Corporations literally just won the right to straight up vote in elections in Delaware…
And that right can be expressly denied by states now!
Which bill are you referring to?
Quick search, I found this from Reuters
Holy shit that is insane
Judge rules Fenwick Island’s corporate voting does not dilute human votes
So I can buy a building and sell closet space to other companies (which I also own) for infinite voting power. This is absurd.
What’s preventing a megacorp from buying a bunch of small shell companies and voting in their own best interest?
I am curious how the voting actually works, though.
Or every citizen to register ten corps each and fight back with more votes… Won’t end well, no matter.
Apparently you also have to own land so average folks are hosed.
There it is. 😐
Yeah, it seems like a very simple argument that since every individual owner of a corporation gets a vote, that the owners as a group should not get an additional vote.
I mean, the courts are no longer about what’s logical or fair, obviously, but still.
Oh no. It’s not even new. WTF, Delaware?
Nonresident voting in local elections has been permitted in Fenwick Island since it was incorporated in 1953, according to the court ruling. In 2008, Delaware’s General Assembly amended the charter to allow non-resident voting by artificial entities, including corporations, partnerships, trusts and limited liability companies, which must be chartered in Delaware.
Several other towns in Delaware allow companies and other legal entities to vote in local elections if they own property in the municipality.
So not only is the state of DE a tax haven, and cravenly pro-corporate at that, but this would allow all those companies chartered there (with nothing more than a rented closet and PO Box) to continue to vote for the status quo. If the good people of that state wanted to vote these assholes out and/or make corporate voting illegal, it’s possible that they no longer can.
Can we just wipe Delaware off the map and replace it with Puerto Rico?
PLEASE DO!
“However, plaintiff has not demonstrated that this policy violates the principle of one person/entity/one vote.”
Never in my life have I ever seen it written this way.
I also like the note about there being “far more corporations” in DE than residents. So I guess this is just a case of it not having been demonstrated yet. I wonder how much it costs to license a company in DE. I wonder how hard it would be for the Internet to absolutely make these morons eat their words. 2 elections? 3?
$110 to file an LLC, plus $300/yr fee.
- Delaware has a turnout around 500k voters.
- Assume say 25% are absolute morons who will swallow any propaganda you put out.
- $41 million + recurring $112 million buys you enough corporate votes to win every vote in the state.
- Welcome to Shadowrun without all the fun parts.
This is the next thing for the r/wallstreetbets folks should do! Put all that GME $$$ to good use!
I like that except they will definitely find a way to undercut that right quick just like they did with the GameStop stuff, illegally I might add
Wait what did they do with the GameStop stuff? I haven’t heard of this.
Robinhood canceled a bunch of people’s trades retroactively because it was harming the corporations that were shorting the stock.
It’s funny I was looking through my notifications and saw this one after replying to the other guy with my GME comment.
So, the ruling requires you to own land.
So someone should buy a few acres and sell 1x1 foot lots for a boat load of money.
Ugh. I don’t want to live on this planet anymore
The planet is fine (well, apart from the fact that it has that ugly smear that is 'Murica on it)
The civilised world sneers at 'Murica for good reason
We would like to isolate the US like you’d send a petulant toddler to their room
Did you forget about other places such as the uk and Germany?
I can smell the corporatism coming
How very ridiculous, now watch how the feds will bend over backwards to keep Citizens United and corporate cash; it’s been a windfall for our poor beleaguered representatives who just need money even though they already make more than the vast majority of their constituents.
Good job, Hawaii, thank you! (will the governor even sign? let’s watch)
Citizens united was one of the worst things to happen to U.S. citizens.
Citizens United in Getting Fucked, amirite?
In Hawaii’s two houses, only one rep. voted against it.
Primary those traitors.
(will the governor even sign? let’s watch)
Hard to say. A brief look at Josh Green indicates to me he’s a true public servant being Democrat and having spent 2 decades as a physician.
will the governor even sign?
And, how long till the corporations filthy lawyers find 20 loop holes to get around it?
Couple things.
When a corporation acts beyond the powers its state has granted, the act is ultra vires: outside the entity’s authority and void as a matter of law. The doctrine is older than the country.
So basically loopholes aren’t a free pass if the effective outcome is ultra vires than the action will be void by law.
The ones that do work would effectively be zero day exploits that the state legislature could patch. I would also expect state legislatures to uncover some of these loopholes during the process and preemptively amend their bills to prevent them.
Loopholes are a free pass when the judicial branch won’t enforce the laws that stop it. All of that is great when everyone is acting in good faith, except the government doesn’t act in good faith anymore.
Evil wins when good men do nothing.
SCOTUS/Judicial branch would not be the ones the ones enforcing the laws the states would.
not you too ignoring that the video you posted says he signed on 14 may 😭
The reasoning explained in the article makes sense to me, but as a non-lawyer I’ve learned that lawyer logic is not always the same as the kind the rest of the universe operates on. But I sure hope this works!
