As an American myself, I’ve asked several people this question. No one seems to know why either. Is it strategic position in the world? I don’t think they have anything the US can exploit besides that really. Am I missing something? Political arguing aside what exactly is the motivation? Thanks for any explanations.
Man! That’s a can of worms!
Entire books have been written on the subject.
The U.S.and Israel have a tangled history going back most of a century at this point.
The short answer is that there are enough historical, religious, and cultural ties for the two countries to be allies long term. Since the us, and by extension NATO, needed a place of projected power in the region, and there was an opportunity to make that happen, Israel happened.
And, being real, Israel has mostly been a reliable ally since its creation as a country. It’s hard to point to a time when Israel didn’t fulfill its expected role in the relationship.
As such, it’s really no surprise that when both countries have leadership that are absolute fascist pricks, that the governments would go whole hog in supporting each other.
Again, that’s the disgustingly short, over simplified version. I don’t have enough interest to turn it into an essay, nor even a discussion, just wanted to drop my take on the matter in a simple way since I didn’t see anything in other comments to just upvote and support with a subsidiary comment as being super close to the way I would say it.
You forgot the part where Christian fundamentalist believe Israel is one of the key components to triggering God’s apocalypse. They think it’ll send the world and rapture them into heaven. Never mind that is such a thing were real, that’s not where their own handbook says they’re going.
Israel is a neocolony that serves a vital strategic interest. The entire empire is held up by oil. Israel gives them say into how oil production is managed in the region. So many middle east countries feel inclined to play ball with the US because Israel exists. Anyone who sees the problem with this arrangement is strongly encouraged ($$$) to play ball also.
The US is a global arms manufacturer with a democracy attached, if there wasn’t an Israel to prop up the US would find something similar and arm it to the hilt.
The
USMilitary Industrial Complex gets to remind everyone why it’s a superpower, it gets to make and sell it’s weapons, survialiance tech, etc, it keeps it’s opponents weak and desperate but armed such that there is always fear to keep selling the forever war (both to the US, but also ton Israelis (and to a lesser extent to Jewish people living elsewhere)), by political maneuvering it gets to police feespeach.liberals/conservatives get to feel like they are not racist because they support a minority led country, who many don’t consider white in that context.
If it wasn’t Israel it could be a different proxy state in the middle East or maybe Africa/Asia.
IMO it has very little to do with Jewishness and a lot more to do with geopolitics, yes they use the Holocaust for propoganda 🤢, but they don’t give a fuck about Holocaust survivors. Also and this is small compared to committing genocide, but they’ve redefined the Holocaust to exclude all of the non-jewish victims which were historically included as recently as a decade ago in common usage of the term (e.g what I learnt in school, what was on Wikipedia, etc)
Israel has its own military industrial complex. It’s an even bigger portion of their economy. They’re a very high tech nation. ICQ, the predecessor of AOL Instant Messenger, was invented in/by Israelis.
Without the US pumping all our tax dollars into it they wouldn’t have the money for universal healthcare, free college and unlimited war and genocide
It’s a friendly nation in an area where those are scarce, so being able to base military operations out of there is seen as a key strategic asset.
Not defending, just explaining.
Any country can be friendly. If they have an advantage to be your friend. Iran can be friendly to the usa and europe if they stop sanctionning them and stop supporting israel the only settler colonial power in the middle east
There is a difference between the friendliness between the west and Israel, which is based on a long history of alliance and a shared culture, and the friendliness between the west and other middle eastern states, which is understood to be based entirely on economic and strategic benefits. Even if sanctions on Iran were lifted and relations were normalized, they would likely occupy a similar “friendliness level” to that of Saudi Arabia. Willing trading partners - but keeping the west at arm’s length
There is a difference between the friendliness between the west and Israel, which is based on a long history of alliance and a shared culture
It is based on history of colonization and imperialism
I mean, would you prefer we bond better with the Saudis and Iranians over a history of religious fundamentalism and subjugating women? Because we can do that, too, if you’d prefer.
Hey here’s an idea what if we don’t bond with any of them and give up this incredibly expensive and wasteful project of taking over the Middle East and instead spend that money on things like healthcare and green energy?
Yeah cause Saudi, qatar and UAE aren’t bending over backwards to lick the US dick …
Historically, the relationship between the US and Israel is far closer than others in the region. Everyone else are much more like fair weather friends. Intelligence between the two is highly integrated to a degree unseen outside of the closest US allies.
That’s a great point, Israel does seem like a bit of a financial burden these days though …
From a point of view of military strategy, the money is chump change.
https://youtube.com/shorts/BST65vtg_lU
This is as relevant today as it was in 1987.
It’s about economic and strategic interests for the US. These have held true for decades, across all kinds of US admininstrations, and predates any real evangelical fervor. The US is guaranteed Israeli support, since Israel depends entirely on the US for its existence. In the spirit of “the purpose of a system is what it does”, I don’t believe that the US ever disapproves of the horrors Israel commits. The US could exercise power whenever it wants, but it rarely if ever does. Of course, Israel has its own interests, but they rarely contradict US goals in the region.
I’ve commented before but I will again because I got a lot more answers than I was expecting. Thank you everyone so much, there is a ton of info that I’ve never heard or even considered.
Evangelicals and the Left Behind theory.
Both of them sponsored by the Jesuit Order.
I don’t think Jesuits would sponsor Evangelicals. They might have similar stupid goals of bringing humanity back into medieval times, but they are in completely different teams.
Ask Dallas Theological Seminary. They’ll basically admit that the Jesuits basically are behind their curricula.
This is the same with every bible college and seminary today.
Israel is an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East. The Middle East is full of oil and independent countries that the US would rather control as puppets.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Iran, Palestine, Lebanon - every country that doesn’t bend the knee gets bombed. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Turkey, Israel - those countries that do bend the knee get limitless military support, regardless of how oppressive they are.
The US is intent in conquering the entire Middle East by force. Israel is not unique, it’s just the most firmly controlled US proxy.
Eh. The US really has no interest in actually conquering the Middle East. Outside the main US territories, the US is a trade empire, not a settler one. The US is never going to try and annex territory in the Middle East and make it a state. The US just wants to make sure the oil keeps coming out of the ground and that it keeps getting exported at an affordable cost. It’s primary goal is to prevent Middle East nations from using their oil for political leverage or for purposes other than export. It would have made a lot of sense economically for a country like Saudi Arabia to not get into the oil export business. Instead, they could have kept their oil domestic, built up a supply chain of value-add products, and export those. Instead of exporting raw oil, they could mainly export plastics, highly refined fuels, and the things made from plastics. But the West wants cheap energy, and they want the higher places on the supply chain.
It’s ultimately all about the oil. The day the oil runs out or the day oil is no longer needed, Israel will be abandoned and left to its own devices.
I call the US being able to dictate what happens to the oil as “conquest.” Of course they aren’t going to do formal annexation, there’s no reason to.
You can define things however you want, but words do have meaning. Conquest implies direct political control over a place.
Not really. There are plenty of cases in history where conquest results in establishing a tributary or proxy state. Japan conquered Manchuria in WWII, the fact that they set up a puppet government does not change that fact at all.
The word you’re looking for is annexation. I’m not “redefining” anything.
Similar question, where do they get so much money to impact american politics with? What does Isreal export so much of?
There are other currencies than money
Yeah, but they usually trace back to money one way or another.
AIPAC political donations to lawmakers and politicians. They’re the second largest lobby contributor and influence politicians for Israel.
They’re responsible for promoting the idea behind the Evangelical salvation end days propaganda that induces people to think a war in Israel will bring on apocalypse and rapture.
jeees you love a religious conspiracy fantasy eh
the jews needed a place to go and palestine had loads of land for sale
the rest is history
WTAF is wrong with you?
If Jewish people have a “Right to exist,” do Palestinians? If not, then where should they go?
People have a right to exist, but states do not. States change. Does Ukraine have a right to exist? They used to be a part of the USSR and were solidly inside those boundaries. Is Russia’s incursion into their sovereign territory lawful?
Where do you draw the line? Who gets to exist and who gets to die? What about the children who were born there? Do you just say, “woops, you suck because I hate your parents. die, babies.”
The future is not history and you are a Zionist prick.
USA has a large population of Jews. Not all are zionists, in fact there have been many anti-zionist Jews protesting against Israel’s genocide of Palestinians. However, some are zionists. Some Jews see Israel as a backup plan - if shit goes south in the USA they can always flee there.
USA has a lot of evangelical Christians. Somehow (it’s not in the Bible) they have convinced themselves that a Jewish return to the Holy Land is necessary before the end of the world happens. Which they want to happen, because they believe they are the good guys and will go to heaven.
USA has a lot of racists. They see Israel as an ethnostate, they like that and support it. Their hatred of brown people is stronger than their hatred of Jews so they are happy to see Israel oppress Palestinians.
USA also has anti-semites who are glad to see a place exist where Jews “should” go to. And they are ecstatic that Israel’s genocide of Palestinians is igniting a new wave of anti-semitism.
Many Americans also see Israel as the only democracy in the middle east. It isn’t a democracy, of course, since it has de facto control over Palestine and therefore a huge population is disenfranchised. But wait - rights only for a certain group of people, oppression for the rest - that’s like America when it was “great” (ie pre-Civil Rights era) and they want America “great again”.
This paints an extremely bleak picture of the US population that really doesn’t match reality very well.
To start, there are about 10 million Jews in the US, if we consider the most liberal possible definition of being Jewish, which includes even people who don’t consider themselves Jewish but who live in a Jewish household. Source. With the current US population of 350 million, that means about 3% of the population is Jewish. That is not enough to sway any real policy decisions, unless the group formed an extremely organized voting bloc, which they do not.
Evangelical Christians make up a more significant chunk of the US population, but they tend to be more concerned with restricting women’s bodily autonomy. If you were to grab a random evangelical off the street, they might know about this rapture theory, but they would probably be like “why are you talking to me, I’m trying to buy milk”
It is difficult to measure how many people in the US are racist or antisemetic, since such topics are taboo and people tend not to advertise their stances. But I would guess that the population of racists or antisemites who are really in the weeds enough to support Israel would be lower than the population of Jews. Most of these people are not smart enough to pull off those mental gymnastics.
Instead, the important thing to know about the average American is that they are not keeping up with global geopolitics. They understand that part of the reason for the creation of Israel was so the Jews wouldn’t get genocided again, and they know that Nazis and genocide are bad, so they support it. They might have heard about Hamas, Gaza, or a two state solution, but they would fumble if you asked them to explain the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah, or asked them to point to Gaza on a map of Israel. And if you asked them to explain the two state solution, a lot of them would struggle to remember what the other state even is. Their main concerns if you start talking to them about the Isreal-Palestine conflict are (1) to make sure that you understand that they are not a nazi, and don’t want the Jews to be genocided again and (2) exiting the conversation as soon as possible so they can buy milk and watch Survivor.
“Jew” is actually something us Khazars made up around the 12th or 13th century. I’m a partial Khazar, and I never knew that until I learned what it meant.
I have a possible explanation that goes into religious themes and geopolitics from a perspective not many people should understand… one where it’s believed (and proven) Vicarius Filii Dei = 666 in a form of Latin numerology not used anymore.
Historicists (people like myself) believe that the Jesuits set this up as a means to get people obeying the Antichrist Beast Popes of Rome (taking the Mark of the Beast on the right hand through actions), and of course, revering him as well (taking the Mark of the Beast on the forehead).
Why this context? The Jesuits were the ones who started Israel (this fake 1948 version), since a retired Jesuit Superior General (False Prophet to the Pope) went the Jerusalem in Occupied Palestine to control the upcoming wars (including WWIII, which we seem to be in right now). Zionism was created by the Jesuits using a yes man in Benjamin Herzl (he changed his name to Theodore to sound more Caucasian) back in 1898, where the first Zionist Congress was held. On top of that, this is practically the same as socialism, fascism, and communism. Think of Zionism as fake Khazar Judean socialism (a form of national socialism before Hitler).
This is some crazy I was not prepared to read today.
Those who always downvote me seem to admit that I’ve spoken truth to light.
Some proof of that is here (Invidious link): https://inv.nadeko.net/@EndTimesDeceptions
There’s tons of proof this man has, and he even studied the Scriptures for over a decade.
Edit: Some of the people who downvote me also tend to have demons saying for them to do so as a means of attempting to assert dominance to what could turn out to be a Gamma or a Delta. I’d like to think I’m a Sigma, but I can’t really prove that I am or not.
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a demon” is a truly wild take. I ask you to step outside your perspective for a moment and think critically about the circular and recursive nature of your argument.
If I agree with you, its because youre right.
If I change my mind, its because youre right.
If I dont agree with you, its because I’m infected with demons, and youre still right.
There is no room for discussion here, you are just preaching.
Did you not notice my wording? I said some, implying not all of them are demon infested.
If anything, nice damnation of the source.
