Why does this dude have to be a billionaire? Like he has some decent views, but being a billionaire generally not ethical unless you are a billionaire in Indonesian Rupiah, because then it would only be tens of thousands of Euros.
But video games! Video games good! Steam good! 😡
Gabe doesn’t do a lot of interviews and mostly keeps out of the public eye. Elon Musk also had a lot of fans until he started running his mouth too much and revealing who he really is.
It’s amazing how many people drop the whole “nobody becomes a billionaire by being a good person” rhetoric as soon as you mention their pet wholesome chungus billionaire.
You guys are just as bad as the people that defend musk because “he’s real life Tony Stark! He makes rockets and electric cars!!!”
Making a company that revolutionizes how games are sold around the world and markedly for the better is a better reason for having dragons hoards than manipulating the stock market. There are degrees to douchebaggery.
You sound like a real person, so let me say, there’s no time to go into depth about the issue, but Valve is a billion dollar company, and you only become a billion dollar company by acting like a billion dollar company. And those actions have been as toxic and exploitative and amoral as any other.
It just so happens that Valve, exactly like early Amazon, puts the client first. They are really good to you, the 1st-world country buying gamer. They turn their exploitation towards the rest of the economy, and play by the rules.
Playing by the rules is as evil as the rules are, and boy, do we live in bad rules.
If you want, go looking around for their plentiful controversies, like their anti-competitive practices, and attempts to enforce prices in other stores. They just pull out the moment that Shit gets any attention, and walk back.
their anti-competitive practices
Do you have any examples? For reference, Steam does allow developers to list games on Steam and other platforms, and even to have lower prices on the other platforms. I haven’t been able to find any true examples of anti-competitive practices by Steam.
I don’t have a strong hate for Valve, but I’m fairly certain that they often DO have contracts that demand their store gets the lowest price available from at least some game developers. So if you offer a game for lower on Epic, you also have to drop your price to match it on Steam. There may be “sales” caveats in there, but I do think that’s generally the rule in at least many cases.
In fact, I think they’ve been sued over that before. (Maybe they changed the policy after the lawsuit? I’m honestly not certain; sorry.) The argument went that if a developer could offer the game for $40 to everyone, then the storefronts could argue over their own markup, and maybe other storefronts would be willing to take less than Valve does. But as it is, Valve artificially keeps prices high on other storefronts with this approach to contracts.
If your experience is different I respect that, but I don’t think that’s universal.
Ever tried to get a refund or support from them pre covid.
Yeah …? It was very easy and automated. Same as it is now.
Yes. When I first opened my account in 2016, the second game I bought had advertised Linux support, but did not run on the first 2 distros I tested. On the third distro, it ran but I couldn’t play with Windows users, so it was useless to me. I got a full refund.
Yes. They RMAd my left index controller a year out of warranty, in addition to always replying within hours. Literally never had a better support experience.
Meta on the other hand is a slew of incompetent fucks that have zero power, until you finally get pushed through to their “specialist team” who takes a fucking full day for EACH REPLY, and even then I had to basically demand a refund for something that was never shipped to me, and (once I bought one later) discovered it literally could not have even fit in the box they sent the other shit in.
Thanks for your opinion, random ass Valve salesperson.
He got there because every bad person that tried to stop him was unbelievably incompetent. He is the exception that proves the rule.
Nah, guillotine for all of them. No exceptions.
The key difference is that Gabe doesn’t make it a habit to dick over people. Aside from the MasterVisa problems and the gambling, Steam is pretty awesome.
Yeah it’s not like he popularised the model of only owning a licence to a game, not the game it self, popularised lootboxes and keys and made tons of money of pushing gambling on kids, had to sued into having a refund policy, popularised early access as a business model, takes a huge 30% of profits of other people’s labour, and was the first to fold to puritanicals that wouldnted him to ban certain games from the platform or anything like that.
Yeah lord Gaben is my wholesome good guy billionaire.
Please list all the other software you still buy from a box on a shelf at a store. The only one I can think of would be a copy of windows (on a USB stick!) or physical movies, and that’s a shadow of its former self even though the physical media usually comes with a key for a streamable copy.
I get the sentiment, but physical media was a dead end the second broadband became viable. I’m glad vinyl made a kind of a comeback, but come on, even consoles are digital-first nowadays.
You’re not wrong that physical media was essentially doomed, and arguably it should have been as digital distribution is faster, easier, and objectively better for the planet (look into the environmental cost of manufacturing vinyl records, for example)
But who popularized the current dominant model of “you’re only buying access, not the game itself”? And before you go on about how it would be impossible to make a digital equivalent to distribution equivalent to purchasing physical media, remember gog exists and has been around and successful for almost 2 decades now
Middlemen are assholes.
Gabe is living proof that the issue is not the money or drive to make it on its own that is a problem. Its the building ones entire life and reason for being around making as much money as possible no matter what you have to do that is the issue.
In my opinion if someones only qualification for being in charge of a business is having an MBA and having been in management at other places then that are grossly unqualified to be in charge of anything outside of their own finances.
Yeah steam hasn’t enshitified. The shit bits (forums) were always shit and the rest has stayed the same.
They made a service that works and makes money and that’s enough. Sure it’s a shit load of money, but if it was any of the usual public companies it would have been destroyed by annual KPIs by now
He isn’t perfect but he represents what could work about capitalism if there were proper safeguards. With him, he’s governed by his own choices or morals, so the current system doesn’t work because most rich people don’t care. Gabe:
Provides a good base product
The product is based on being ran on open hardware that you own.
Uses his own money to advance support for a true open standard (Linux) because Windows is going down the toilet for UX.
Creates his own hardware that works with the product to give a walled garden experience if you want that. Or you can install your own operating system on the hardware, or install his operating system on other hardware, he doesn’t care.
Doesn’t have anticompetitive practices with people that make a similar product, focusing on being the best product.
Incorporates ease of use for other products into his product (PlayStation controllers, adding non steam games that are able to use most of the same features via Steam including Proton).
Treats employees well.
Is generous with the refund policy.
And guess what? Everyone is happy. He’s happy and rich AF, his employees are happy, his customers are happy, his competition is happy because he’s not purposefully throttling them (though they probably aren’t happy he’s eating their lunch because customers don’t want them). The system can work for everyone if it is fair. We just need to demand these safeguards because even Gabe could change his mind at any time.
100% ^^ this right here.
Valve is one of the very few big companies I am totally fine spending money with. The value proposition is entirely focused on the products and how the customer, me, gets the most from them. No artificial scarcity, no protectionist bullshit, no outrageously exploitative EULA or obvious shafting of vendors. They focused on creating something useful and functional, and they profit from it. Bravo.
And they have been doing this for decades. The first PC I installed Steam on was a Celeron with a Voodoo2 GPU in it.
I have to do business with other companies because they have driven other competitors out of business. I get to do business with Valve.
He’s a billionaire. There are no good ones. Some are worse than others, but none are good. It’s a disgusting amount of hoarded wealth.
I think you’re missing the point. The meme implies that liking Steam is some kind of contradiction to being anticapitalist (or at least anti-status quo of ridiculous unchecked capitalism). It’s not a contradiction because the way Gabe runs his business is good. It is the way all businesses should be ran: pro consumer, pro employee, pro competition/pro free market, and not caught up in the gambling fiasco that is the stock market. If other businesses were not so focused on fucking over as many people as possible, they could be just as successful as Gabe.
Should it be POSSIBLE to be that successful? You don’t think so, and I tend to agree. But pulling for a 90% tax rate after a certain point is in no way in opposition to praising fair business practices. They’re directly related.
If Steam becomes an awful experience, guess what? I won’t sing its praises to people I know and I’ll find something better. Loyalty goes both ways.
But pulling for a 90% tax rate after a certain point is in no way in opposition to praising fair business practices. They’re directly related.
Back in the times that people keep telling me were great, that was the norm. Cutting taxes for the money makers is the entire reason we’re in this mess. Instead of reinvesting money in the company or the country, it’s being boarded and sat on to make number go up.
You are correct.
It’s not a contradiction because the way Gabe runs his business is good.
It… Very much is. He runs a business that doesn’t make people piss in bottles. Great, but that’s a low bar.
He runs a business that looks after customers, that’s great but Amazon does that too so I consider it a cost of doing the billions in trade that he does and a cost of effective monopoly maintenance. If they weren’t pro consumer folks might actually leave.
He pays his employees better than others, great, but he’s sitting on 9 billion in wealth so let’s not pretend he couldn’t pay them more or squeeze small developers less than 30% (and he’s probably squeezing them more than big houses).
You can’t have that much money and be ethical. You can be less shitty than other billionaires but again that’s a low, low bar.
but Amazon [looks after customers] too
This is news to me
Wait you’re telling me the guy that pioneered loot crates and owns like 8 yachts isn’t a good person?
But he made that fun game that one time!
Please pull some Ready Player One Halliday level bullshit with your company when you die. PLEASE.
why does the gay prostitute mean better or superior
I thought it was techno viking
I’ve literally never seen any of these so-called “simps”
Like, the internet is a big place and I’m sure some of them exist, but you could make that argument about any view at all. I see way more hatred for these alleged simps than the simps themselves.
Steam, and Valve, operate in a capitalist system. They’ve been successful. They are similar to a handful of other companies, like Costco, that seem to understand that in order for capitalism to be sustainable, corporations need tk govern themselves and show restraint. They need to focus not on merely achieving profit for ownership this quarter, but on establishing long-term and stable business relationships with all of their stakeholders. Customers, emplpyees, suppliers, governments, lenders, the planet itself.
The biggest failure of capitalism is that the system does not incentivize for any of this. Which is why such corporations are so rare.
Steam extracts money from their customers and suppliers at an insane profit ratio and has barely any employees. You are one of the simps bro.
Game stores are money printing machines. Gaben isn’t your friend looking out for you, he probably laughs about peasants like you. You are a money bag waiting to be sucked dry.
Steam also provides value by acting as an intermediary.
There were 21,503 games released on Steam last year. How the hell is a consumer supposed tk make informed purchasing decisions with all that? Steam is a discovery platform which connects a game with the individuals most likely to buy that game.
It is also a central launcher to organize and manage libraries, including non-steam games. It’s easy to move games between drives, and to use the various library tools to pick out what I want to play.
Then there’s Proton, a completely free comlatability layer for Linux that has allowed me to mostly stop using Windows.
There’s the Steam Workshop, which is far and away my preferred method to mod games. It’s so much easier to click a button to add a mod tk Cities Skylines or Civ 6 than it is to fuck around with Nexus Mods and a mod manager for Skyrim.
Steam is a centralized location for support from developers. It also is convenient tk keep track of updates.
Steam Remote Play is probably the single most umpactful thing to my gaming in the past decade. I just need my 1 gaming desktop and I find myself playing on my Shield in my living room, my phone in bed, my tablet on my exercise bike, my Steam Deck on the porch, or even over at my friend’s house on an old laptop. All for free, when I’ve never even be able to get Moonlight or Sunshine to work at all in my desktop.
Steam has social features like friends lists, chat, and even voice, which is relevant with how shitty Discord has been as a company lately. Support for family sharing and multiplayer is phenomenal.
It is not like Steam is just pocketing a bunch of money and not doing anything. They beat out not just their legitimate competitors, but even piracy, because they provide better value for the consumer. They do a lot of tasks that publishers otherwise would have to handle themselves, saving them costs.
And I’m sure there are more features that I’m forgetting kr that I don’t bother with, but other people find valuable.
I do think they should be heavily regulated, but there hasn’t really been much to regulate with them. They had a minor lawsuit in Australia early on relating to the verbiage displayed about refund policy. I don’t like loot boxes, but my solution is… I don’t buy them, and usually I don’t even buy games with them.
There were 21,503 products released on Amazon last year. How the hell is a consumer supposed tk make informed purchasing decisions with all that? Amazon is a discovery platform which connects a product with the individuals most likely to buy that product.
The Amazon store is pretty bad at any kind of product discovery or helping me make informed decisions. There’s way too much junk there, reviews are mostly useless, and there’s no guarantee of actually receiving the product as advertised.
I’ll be a lot more open to comparing Valve with Amazon when I hear reports of Valve employees pissing in bottles
I see the point you’re trying to make but that is a false equivalence for a lot of reasons. One of the biggest being that Amazon is well known to treat their workforce like crap and profit at their expense. Valve does not do that. On top of that Amazon dominated the market by illegally keeping prices lower than everyone else using backroom deals, using the Amazon basics label to undercut competition (a lot of times by making deals with the factories making those products,) and buying up competition.
Valve on the other hand just made the best service and keeps releasing features that actually help consumers and developers. I’m not saying they’re like some angelic company that has done no wrong, but they certainly are nowhere near the levels of Amazon, Microsoft, Epic, etc.
Sorry, Gabe isn’t great either. He just knows not to constantly fuck over your consumers everyday to make loads of money. He’s on the list, lower on it, but still.
Yep, I remember the paid mods fiasco
he simply cant - he dont have those nintendo/microsoft/sony resources. he knows if he starts fucking around - he will find out and quickly.
but also - his yacht - thats for oceanography, I hold a believe that he might be doing more like commander Cousteu type of thing and not rich guy (hookers/cocaine) type of thing . and I can get behind that
He could easily fleece his users in so many ways if he wanted to. Many of us are in so deep with Steam that it would take something truly heinous to pry us away from our game libraries, and the next-best service to Steam is absolute dog shit.
Saying he can’t make more evil, exploitative choices because it would be bad business ignores the fact that nearly every modern company makes evil, exploitative choices no matter how little business sense it makes. Honestly, I’m exhausted by just how rarely companies act in their own self interest and just let us continue giving them money instead of shooting themselves in the foot.
Maybe he could build a train. Idk, seems like I’m a vacuum that’s probably the sensible thing to do. Maybe he could donate it directly from his income (that’s actually real income of course, we can’t tax those loans you took out to pay for said boat) directly in charge of fixing things up for people.
Tldr, fuck his “science boat”. Build some goddamn houses for people. Gates is a bastard but Gaben gets a “charity” pass?
srry on my scale of bad rich people, - Gaben hes just not on it.
its a gaming platform, not forced on you.bezos on the other hand - hes very high.
I’ve made this comparison against Taylor Swift and it works for Gaben too. There is no ethical way for an individual person to acquire more than a billion dollars, full stop. That said, there are billionaires who have come across their fortunes a little more honestly than others. Taylor Swift and Gaben are good examples of that. So if/when the guillotine comes out I hope Taylor S. and Gaben won’t be on the chopping block and will relinquish a lot of their wealth. Unlike Peter Theil who is just evil.
Hard agree! Although my personal version is less about acquiring than having.
Even if someone acquired a billion through the most ethical means possible, the simple fact that they are holding onto that disgustingly imbalanced amount of wealth is unethical.
If he wasn’t fucking over his consumers, he wouldn’t be able to spend 1000 million on fancy boats.
I feel most sorry for small developers having to hand over 30% of their entire work’s value to “uncle Gabe” who’s already sitting on over 9 billion. Fuck that noise.
Most of those small developers wouldn’t have been able to make a dime trying to get their games into physical stores.
That’s not to say it should be this way, but it could be a lot worse.
Yeah I agree that steam offers them a decent marketplace and we’re definitely seeing lots of great games from smaller studios or individuals as a result.
I’d prefer if sales were “taxed” lower than 30% up to a given threshold instead of fluffing Gabe’s already massive bank balance though.
Like 10% on your first 50K, sliding scale upwards after that for example. I’m spitballing but you get the idea I hope. He just doesn’t need that level of payout from smaller folks.
He doesn’t abuse his power as much as most billionaires, but he certainly does abuse it.
He’s not worthy of idolization, no billionaire is. No person is.
GabeN is a CEO, rich, probably greedy and has a yacht, but by all accounts he isn’t a douchebag.
I don’t simp for him, but he is different from most other billionaires in that he got rich doing what he loves and just kept doing it, and has kept his company on course on a mission that is, all things considered, pretty good for everyone involved (insofar a for-profit company is capable of such a thing).
He loves his yacht so much that he bought the yacht company.
yacht makers hate this one simple trick.
His platform supports and allows a lot of gambling and turns a blind eye to children being sucked into their trap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q58dLWjRTBE
Quit simping for billionaires, fucking morons.
Sure man, insult them that’ll get me on your side, you dick
Yup. I don’t disagree with their point but then they had to be dick about it and now I hope they get an itch in a hard to reach spot on their back.
They have, since that post was made, banned skin gambling sponsors from being featured at all CS2 and Dota events: https://www.strafe.com/news/read/valve-bans-skin-gambling-sponsors-from-all-cs2-events/
They get points for correcting, but not enough to warrant praise.
“We’ve been promoting gambling to children for years, and not a single one of us thought that was bad until a Youtuber with a large following pointed that out to us. So we stopped.”
Should be read
“Someone with the reach to hurt our bottom line spoke up”
Quit simping for billionaires, fucking morons.
If you read their comment and still thought they were doing that, you’re the problem here.
I don’t simp for him, but he is different
Yeah, no. Just saying “I don’t …” and then singing their praises is exactly what a simp does.
This is what right wingers have been doing validate themselves forever.
“I don’t like Trump, but …an essay on why he’s so great…”
that he got rich doing what he loves
What he loved doing was taking away consumer rights and pocketing the profit as the one who did it the best. Before Steam, you actually owned your games and could resell them without asking anyone permission. Steam bypassed all copyright laws by saying, “But what if we sold a steam key instead of the game.” It’s the same “It’s not illegal if we do it on a computer” law sidestep that techbros learned from Gabe and copied.
Before Apple sold restricted ownership music and before Amazon sold restricted ownership books, their was Steam paving the way to our current economy where you own nothing.
Steam was launched in 2003.
By that point the ships had already sailed. You didn’t own software, and micro transactions already existed. Steam did not “bypass” copyright laws- the facilitated a storefront that sold based on already established and litigated law.
This goes back tk the 1960’s with the origin of computers, when they were gigantic. Manufacturers like IBM would lease the hardware to institutions that used it, and the software was just included for free. This practice ended because of antitrust lawsuits in 1969, which led to IBM charging for software seperstely.
It’s funny you mentioned Apple, because one of the foundational cases of software copyright law was 1983’s Apple vs Franklin case that ruled against a company making Apple II clones, who argued that machines readable code was similar to machinery designs and thus not subject to copyright law. 20 years before Steam existed.
But I guess you can just ahead and make things up on the internet to jump aboard a hate train.
In 2003 it was pretty normal to sell your used games, on CD (or DVD) at a car boot sale or whatever.
The person who disagrees is too young to know that was ever possible. They have grown up in a dystopia so they don’t know the law is being broken or know that other countries, unlike America, stopped Steam from violating consumer laws.
Of course you don’t “own software” like you don’t own the right to distribute to reproduce a book you bought. This is about resale rights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
The Supreme Court ruled and Congress ratified into law that once a copyrighted work is sold, the owner gives up the right to control resale. The specific case was book publishers who added a disclaimer that the book couldn’t be resold cheaply after purchase.
This is exactly what Steam prevents.
For the record, the iTunes Store is actually like 6 months older than Steam.
You haven’t been able to resell your used PC games since the invention of the CD key and SecuROM.
That is absolutely not true. You sold your game with the key. Nothing about CD keys nor secure rom stopped this. The CD key gave the game the location of the specially stamped spot on the CD to verify it was the original CD. SecureRom kept people from selling copies. It did not stop selling the original.
SecuROM limited you to 2-5 activations per CD key.
You could revoke authorizations. Which didn’t matter because until 2007 it didn’t need Internet activation.
I very clearly remember asking myself“what the hell is Steam and why are they suddenly the authority on game stores?” when I first discovered Steam. Now my wishlist alone has nearly 400 items on it and my library is massive.
The difference with Gabe is that he’s quiet and keeps to himself. He’s not putting on Met gala pageantry bullshit, or trying to sway elections. That doesn’t mean he magically gets a pass, but he’s not actively trying to ruin our lives and the planet like Bezos, Musk, the entire Trump admin, and Thiel are.
When the revolution comes, we’re still redistributing his wealth, but he doesn’t need to get the guillotine.
Let him have one yacht. He should be allowed to enjoy his yachting life in peace, like any ordinary person should. The ideal is for every single person to live their best lives, provided that lifestyle doesn’t involve bullying people.
All billionaires are inherently bad due to how that much wealth is accumulated, the unilateral centralized power wealth bestows, and that it prevents others from benefiting from things that wealth could buy for society. But they ain’t all equal, and I’d say Gabe is also on the “less bad” side of the billionaire bell curve, simply by the virtue of him not trying to create a techofeudalist hellscape for himself and his billionaire buddies to rule over as godkings
