(If you know where I stole this from, I love you.)
Gnome… isn’t Gnome. Gnome 2.x/MATE is Gnome. Gnome 3.x and further is gnome shit (or dwarfen shit? We should ask DND specialists to clarify this moment)
Gnome’s devs are insular and don’t listen to suggestions from outsiders. That sounds like Svirfneblin to me!
My main issue when I was using GNOME is that it needed a run ton of extensions to be truly useful, and most broke after a new release.
I’m using KDE basically out of the box, nothing bothers me enough to try to fix it.
Yes, GNOME 3+ is completely unusable. It looks like it’s been designed for a tablet.
Plus, I can’t stand client side window decorations.
I liked Gnome back when Ubuntu was brown.
The Gnome 2 days 👍
After Gnome shit the bed with Gnome 3 and beyond, MATE continued everything great about 2 and continues its legacy.
I genuinely hope history remembers the GNOME desktop as “it was good, and then they started making some really stupid decisions!”
Right now I use kde customized to look almost exactly like gnome.
Just use any Linux distro you like!
Stock Ubuntu with GNOME
Gnome is very competently made except it’s made for a different genre of person to me, and their attitude towards customisation is outright disdainful. You install an extension or mess around in tweaks and gnome looks at you like you just used the salad fork for seafood.
I think it’s made for people who like Macs or sth.
Wouldn’t be a problem(people can use whatever makes them happy) if the gnome Devs shit attitude didn’t trickle outwards and harm customizability in other environments.
Serious question. Why is there an expectation that your DE should be customizable? Isn’t the fact that you can choose one in the first place a customization?
Customization is necessary especially in the free software space because designers aren’t good enough to make acceptable defaults.
I love KDE, but each new install takes a bit of fiddling to get it just the way I want.
I wouldn’t have as much of an issue with GNOME’s lack of customization if they didn’t make stupid-ass decisions.
I don’t care much about whether gnome is customizable, if people like it then great, but I hate how they’re forcong terrible patterns that often break other DEs (window decorations)
Because the point of Linux is I get to make it my own
If I wanted to use what the Devs tell me is the right setup and “just works”, I’d not own a computer at all. I’d just get an iPad, which has that appliance like “no options, just does what it’s made to do, works great under those constraints” thing going for it.
You have as much customizability as you will take for yourself. If you don’t like it, fork it.
People did. That’s how we got MATE and Cinnamon; much better desktop environments.
I don’t think you understand the implications of what you’re suggesting.
Forking a project as large as Gnome is a massive undertaking. Not only is it a lot of up-front work to implement the functionality, but you also have to stay up-to-date with all upstream changes, and there’s likely at least a few Gnome developers that are paid to work on it full-time, so that is a lot to maintain. And not only do you have to build it for your own distro, but you also have to convince maintainers of other distros to adopt it as well and put it in their repositories, otherwise you have no community of users, which means no community of developers either.
Forking Gnome is wildly impractical. It’s not a feasible suggestion to make at all.
Orrrr I can use something else. Which I do. Something that respects the fact that my computer is in fact mine.
And like i said. It’d be fine if gnome was gnome… If it stayed in its fucking lane serving the people that like it.
But the gnome Devs have a lot of influence on how things like Wayland are taking shape, so their “let’s turn Linux into iPad” attitude does in fact affect me.
just used the salad fork for seafood.
What’s wrong with using the same fork for salad and seafood?
Posh person nonsense. At fancy parties you’re supposed to use different food weapons for each course and work your way from the outside in. Fairly sure the only reason it was invented was so rich ppl could show off how many fancy pieces of cutlery they owned.
Which is the vibe I get from Gnome’s design and its devs’ attitude in general. “Fancy party”. A bunch of dumbass rules you have no influence over and which people will sneer at you for breaking.
I bet it’s lightweight as fuck, tho…
I mean I don’t dislike it.
why in the fuck is it pronounced guhnome
Because that’s how people speaking Old English would have pronounced it. And we all know how particular 10th century Saxons are about their Linux desktop.
why in the fuck is it pronounced guhnome
It’s not. There is no vowel between G and N. Watch an episode or two of Star Trek and listen to some Klingon or Vulkan names to learn how such a combination of letters is pronounced without adding a vowel.
lmfao gonna pass on the homework, teach
Lmao imagine taking that seriously
> he fell for the double cross
oh no no no no
To match GNU
Guh-NU
I like Plasma.
I know, real brave take
I love Plasma. It’s fast, it’s stable, it’s beautiful, it’s real simple and I intuitive, it’s easily customizable via GUI, it’s packed with great features (that stay completely out of your way if you don’t need them). Even the KDE apps are awesome across the board.
It’s all down to preference, yadda yadda, but I honestly don’t understand why someone would use something like Cinnamon, XFCE or, god forbid, GN*ME instead of KDE Plasma.
That being said, just use what you wanna use.
Kde is so ugly and buggy, requiring tons of setup n knowhow to fix. GNOME feels limiting and oversimplified, but honestly 9 out of 10 times its fine… even if its setting menu infuriates on the regular.
Im old and i dont having 100 hrs to rice shit anymore
What is the last KDE you tried? Plasma is SO good, right out of the box.
Gnome people keep saying KDE requires so much ‘setup’ … but it really doesn’t. 95% of the time (unless you’ve got a really weird distro), the default settings your flavor of KDE ships with are … just fine. And you can use the desktop just fine without ever touching any of the settings. It has lots of options, sure, but you don’t have to screw around with all the options. It has sane defaults for a reason.
Kde is so ugly and buggy, requiring tons of setup n knowhow to fix.
Surely you confuse Plasma and Gnome. To get a sane setup on Gnome, you need to install Refine to enable the minimize button and then install Gnome Extension Manager and enable Dash to Panel or Dash to Dock.
That’s an insane amount of setup work for someone who doesn’t know about those things.
…if you want
For the max/min buttons you can just turn them on in gnome tweaks
For the max/min buttons you can just turn them on in gnome tweaks
Ah yes, using a different non-standard tool makes so much of a difference.
It isn’t “non standard.” It is literally a part of gnome.
Haters gonna hate I guess
It isn’t “non standard.” It is literally s part of gnome.
It’s a stand-alone tool by the Gnome developers, it’s not an integral part of Gnome.
The default UX of Gnome still make it hard for people migrating from Win10. No amount of nitpicking about irrelevant details change that fact.
Haters gonna hate I guess
I didn’t expect any other response by a Gnome fan. Keep ignoring comments like https://lemmy.world/comment/22252682 where I explained that I picked Gnome for an elderly man. I’m really such a hater that I pick Gnome for a certain use case.
It deserves all the criticism.
And it is by far my favorite DE.As a GNOME user since forever, I find it fascinating how much time KDE users spend thinking about GNOME. They seem so obsessed with customization, yet seem incapable of understanding that people could have preferences different from their own.
yet seem incapable of understanding that people could have preferences different from their own.
Perfect description of Gnome developers.
“What’s the use case?” Issue closed itself to shit.
We don’t, except for when gnome is installed by default.
I started my Linux journey about 5 years ago on mint with the cinnamon DE. It’s not the fanciest but it got the job done, no real complaints.
Recently I made the change to debian without too much thought on the DE and I was presented with gnome. Took me about 5 minutes before I was looking up alternatives.
Now on KDE plasma, and out of the 3 I’ve tried it’s definitely my favourite.
Yeah I agree. GNOME 3 is hideous, completely unusable. I don’t know why they had to ruin the perfection of GNOME 2.
I also liked GNOME 2 a lot. Current GNOME is okay for what it is, but it feels too dumbed down for my tastes. For example the default editor has basically no features compared to gedit back in the day. The desktop is kind of nice on a laptop with a good touchpad and gestures though.
