The Luddites got a bad rap. They weren’t anti-technology. They just knew that the technology was being used to push their wages down and make their hours longer.
Ned Ludd knew that smashing the machines was sometimes the best option!
Yeah, after I learned about his movement, I stopped using the term as a pejorative. They were’ pretty based.
A lot of the machinery was also dangerous AF.
The only technology developed after 2021 was LLM’s and Stable Diffusion
This is the understanding of a “tech enthusiast”, not someone who’s actually interested in how computers work.
Not amish.
Moral compass.
Someone is pushing a very stupid narrative about those of us who see the situation as anything other than progress.
Thats a bad way of describing enshitification. Yeah people are not interested in buying stuff they already had but for a monthly subscription. That’s literally the only idea anyone in tech has had this decade. Do the same thing for a subscription and slap AI all over it. Get series A funding and sell the company.
I like technology (mostly pre-2010), but I think there’s been a philosophical shift in the things that modern tech companies prioritize. AI is a huge part of the problem obviously, but it’s more of a symptom than a cause.
I want something that I can repair and modify. I want the internals to be easy to access and made out of parts cheap enough for me to replace. I want to be able to play pretend like I’m Terry Davis and not have to deal with UEFI bullshit telling me what I can and can’t run on my computer.
It’s all a move to walled gardens with very limited access to the OS or hardware, where the focus is on touch screens and amplified UIs. I’m the kind of person who customized Xmonad and Vimperator (RIP, I know there are dupes but it’s not the same) to never even bother with a mouse, and so it all feels unnatural. I spend so much time fighting my autocorrect when I’m on windows or Mac products, another one of those “helpful” features that is forced and obnoxious.
It’s a move from computers as toy (LEGO set) to computers as toy (needoh squishy). They’ve become machines designed to deliver content and extract data while you zone out. Some of the most fucking fun I’ve had in my life has been spending 6 hours writing PERL to do something I probably could have done manually in 30 minutes or strange journeys into the windows registry as I try to figure out why all of my / changed into ¥, and that’s just not the vibe of anything in modern technology. Everything is designed to hide as much of itself from you.
“Oh no! Something went wrong! Better call support” instead of “Error 332: Look it up and fix it”
And now, even if you do get the error code, Google and DuckDuckGo are so shit that they’ll find only AI generated slop pages instead of the forum posts with the solution.
I grew up with nearly every stage and major leap of our modern tech. I saw dialup internet and windows 95 and the major shift to XP. I had an original Nintendo and gameboy, and got to witness the evolution to handheld and 3D gaming. I had a flip phone with T9 texting, and saw the first smartphones come about. For me, tech peaked in like 2012, and hasn’t done anything worthwhile or innovative since, with the exception of the steamdeck. The internet has only gotten shittier since, cell phones and PCs have only gotten more expensive and complex, without any major increase in capability. Sure they’re more powerful, but they can’t really do anything new, and all software has only gotten shittier and less efficient. It’s honestly depressing to think about how much hope I had for the tech space in the 2000s and how far we’ve fallen since then.
Tiny minority very vocal on lemmy
Make it 1994 and I’m fine with it. Couldn’t care less. I’d trade it all to be back in 1994.
- Sooooo many great games and movies released then, and the 90s left a great catalog of both.
Edit: I started my comment with “2001” but it only says “1.” When I view it? Maybe a bug in my client.
Pre 9/11, it was all transparent plastics and physical media. Those were the days.
I miss my MiniDisc Walkman.
Yes!! I don’t care how common it was, transparent purple rocked.
{number}{dot} is a Markdown list. Like this:
- one
- two
The original Markdown was poorly documented (including in this regard), but most derivatives specify that the numbers are ignored and it just counts from one. Annoying when you are trying to count from zero.
Ah this explains it. The full sentence was “2001.” I guess next time I need to make an actual sentence. Thanks! TIL
Is “digital amish” meant to be a pejorative of some sort?
They say it like it’s a bad thing?
I guess if you consider the word “Amish” to be negative? I mean I despise Amish because of how they treat their animals, but I don’t consider it negative. I’d assume most people don’t.
Yeah I’ve got beef with their love of domestic violence, not their aversion to technology
Yeah it’s not really a bad thing if you’re about it. Religious aspects aside the (general, it varies) Amish approach to technology is that each thing is looked at very intentionally with community integrity in mind. Instead of everything for everyone, technology is considered a tool.
Most people don’t get cell phones to scroll tik tok slop, but they might let a business owner have one with a limited plan for planning jobs for their business.
Most people don’t get cars because they encourage people to live farther apart and are expensive, but they might allow solar charged e-scooters
I take it as a “fixed” reference. Many people know the Amish community hit a point and chose not to use new technology created after that.
They are not against it, or others using it.
I don’t interpret the phrase as having malace, just a way to show this might be the new line in the sand.
Amish 2.0 ?
In my mind it is not the age of the technology, but its owner or lack thereof.
Whoever sets up the first anti-AI town is going to do very well for themselves.
there should be theme towns for every decade with era appropriate technology in each one
Hollywood has this essentially but it’s for filming.
If the Amish weren’t Christian, I’d be tempted to join them…
A lot of them live in severe poverty.
Even if that’s true on an individual level - they often pool funds as a community to those in need (mutual aid).
The Amish where I live are doing better than most people with their businesses, which are thriving in this economy.
Extreme religious austerity tends in that direction without eider community support.
eider
I’m assuming this was a typo – sea duck community support makes no sense – but I can’t quite figure out what the intended word was. Elder? Other? Something else?
Whoops, meant to write wider community support. Like Catholic nuns and priests have the congregation who tithe and a similar system for Buddhist monks as well as monks off a lot of faiths.
Ah, that does make more sense :) Thank you
Ever heard of Wwoofing? There are tons of not christian international communities with their own vibe around. There’s also many more not listed aka you just kinda need to know people.
Any connection to The Office?
Wow that’s a pretty awful name lol
Don’t take life too seriously. We all push daisies in the end. I will say it’s definitely not for everyone.
Huh?
I draw the line at 2000.
You just broke your promise :/
Ssshh… don’t tell my other personality.
people are saying its because of AI, but its actually because they refuse to get any information regarding technoblades death
I think you meant to say “people are saying it’s because of slop” - no sane person that I know refusing to work with this shit is dumb enough to call it “AI”
slop is often used to refer to things that were not made using generative AI
but yeah, AI is the wrong term
Fair enough, I only started reading the term when it was used to express disdain for machine learning systems being wrongly marketed as “AI”
I end up scare-quotes a lot in text and saying “so-called AI” when speaking.
I sometimes use just the quotes for brevity, but I mostly use “slop”. I hate the implicit suggestion there’s any kind of intelligence/understanding involved in generating the output. That combined with the admittedly impressive looking/sounding results leads people to believe it’s actually accurate & reliable, which it isn’t.
they are AI though
how would it be wrong marketing?
they are AI though
see - when they sell statistical gibberish generators as “AI”, gullible people will believe it. You just proved my point.
they are selling statistical gibberish generators as AI because AI is a very broad term that includes machine learning
Only by the definition of people who try to sell this bullshit.
