• orc girly@lemmy.ml
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    11 hours ago

    We literally have the video of tankman climbing up the tank and not being flattened, it was even reported back in the day, but people downvoting you can’t be bothered to google that

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      10 hours ago

      I think the downvotes are because the post implies that the Chinese did not kill anyone, when hundreds were murdered. What became of tank man is unknown, but it’s clear he wasn’t killed by one of those tanks.

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        10 hours ago

        I heard it was millions, and that evil communist xi xingping plans of doing it again and name it the scary communist leap forward after his favorite scary communist dictator mowz dong

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            Are you being sarcastic?

            Because, and anyone correct me if I’m wrong,
            most people here know that what happened during the Tianenmen square insurrection was:

            1. Soldiers, mostly the army choir, are ordered to come unarmed and clear the square after months of students protesting in favor of Usonian state-backed exploitative economic teachings.
            2. 100+ Soldiers killed, mostly the army choir, by insurrectionists at a road adjacent to the square.
            3. Remaining army choir soldiers lead the protesters away through song from the square.
            4. 20+ Insurrectionists killed, as armed soldiers arrived and a battle broke out, on the same road.
            5. 100+ protesters killed, as a chaotic indirect consequence of the earlier insurrectionists’ actions, at a train station miles away.
            6. Tanks arrive at the square to prevent further escalation.
            7. Tanks leave the square as situation deescalated and tank man blocks the tanks for a while, then leaves, on the same road again.

            These insurrectionists went a lot further than the Usonian Jan 6th protest mostly known as the “Freedom Plaza massacre” where “peaceful protesters” entered the capitol building in order to “stop election fraud” where “perhaps 10s of thousands civilian lives were killed as US security opened fire at these peaceful protesters”, because unlike CIA-backed insurrectionists, these “peaceful protesters” were ordered by their higher ups to leave immediately instead of being encouraged to block the US army from arriving at Capitol Hill or attack the US army for that matter.

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    Tank Man was disappeared after this. A Reagan admin official claimed he was executed after this.

    Some other guy claims he shared a prison cell with him and he was supposedly still imprisoned as of 2017.

    The only people claiming that he wasn’t killed or arrested is the Chinese Communist Party.

    /doubt

    EDIT: are you all bots? Why do so many of you believe the CCP is better than ICE? Like they aren’t disappearing people and committing genocide but sure.

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      Thank you for speaking your truth. I need you to keep doing this and showing the people how evil China is.

      Because goddamn am I going to make a lot of money off my Chinese investments because of people like you lmfao

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      EDIT: are you all bots? Why do so many of you believe the CCP is better than ICE? Like they aren’t disappearing people and committing genocide but sure.

      No bots. This is one of the very few corners of the web inhabited by people whose ideologies make them rightfully skeptical of CIA propaganda narratives.

      The “Uyghur genocide” has been thoroughly debunked, and the “disappeared” woman featured in that PBS article from 2021 was alive and well in 2022.[1]


      1. “In August [2022], International Tennis Federation (ITF) president David Haggerty told CNN he spoke to Peng about six weeks ago and she appears to be safe.” https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/07/tennis/wta-return-china-peng-shuai-suspension-spt-intl/index.html ↩︎

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      3 hours ago

      Tank Man was disappeared after this

      It must be so easy being an anti communist, you can just make up whatever unsourced claims you like and expect people to believe it

      Some other guy

      Oh well, if “some guy” said it…

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        Some of us here have expiriance with communist regimes beyond simping them online.

        But on a common sense level; you really believe a government which sends tanks onto unarmed student protest does not prosecute someone who attempts to block it?

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          I wouldn’t expect a Polish nationalist to have a good grasp on anything but “unarmed student protest” is an entirely misleading categorisation of a violent riot that brutally murdered multiple soldiers who were simply standing guard before the clashes broke out and who’s leaders did interviews specifically detailing their plans to incite massive violence and flee to America.

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      As far as I know (and I’ve looked), the only actual evidence of his fate is that, at the end of the video, he is ushered off the street by civilians in streetwear. From there, people seem to make conclusions based on an overall impression of the Chinese government as comically evil, rather than any specific or credible evidence (or indeed any evidence at all) related to this guy in particular.

      Which is somewhat understandable, don’t get me wrong – no one investigates everything they hear. We try to gauge the overall picture and then, once we’re convinced (rightly or wrongly), we tend to accept or reject new information on the basis of that picture. Everyone does this. I do it. That’s why US propaganda is so effective. It works by sheer volume and repetition. Once that “comically evil Chinese government” picture is established, people believe new details consistent with it. And if you have a compliant media, that picture may never be challenged enough to dislodge it. Some of the stories are finally starting to collapse now – not even the US state department claims there was a genocide in Xinjiang anymore, for example – but it will take a while for that to ripple out to people.

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      Some guy in the US and some unspecified guy of unknown age or location both claimed completely contradictory things, therefore the idea that neither of those things happened is false. Checkmate tankies!

      Are you really that fucking stupid?

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        Are you so fucking stupid that you think the CCP would ban this footage and just let the guy walk away?

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          “Why should I need to back up my claims when already assuming my claims are right?!”

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          You’re the one making the claim. Show evidence that anything bad happened to this guy. Because I saw the video of him stopping the entire line of tanks, climbing on top of the tank, knocking on the tank’s entry hatch, having a conversation with the driver, and then walking away.

          The armed soldier in the literal tank literally let the guy walk away. Who stopped him?

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        5 hours ago

        That more North Korean Style. The Chinese are all about saving face which means sweeping problems under the rug.

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        While making his whereabouts fizzle out like that makes people not idolize that man, as we have seen that when you put the face of every mass shooter in the front page of every news outlet it just inspired a few more copycats.

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          I don’t think the CPC nor anyone ever knew his identity. 1989 was an era before mass surveillance. The only evidence that exists is this grainy analog footage shot from a mile away, and it includes no facial features. Do you know how many ~5’6" men with black hair there were in Beijing?

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      offering two contradictory statements isn’t proof of anything

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        Im not saying Reagan admins were telling the truth but it’s a bit odd that no one was ever able to track him down and the CCP has banned the footage.

        But you’re right. I’m sure the CCP has never disappeared anyone and it’s not like the CCP would lie, right?

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          Lol, Alex Jones arguments: “I’m not claiming anything, I’m just saying it’s odd!”

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      Well if a “Reagan admin official” and “some other guy” said it, then it must be true!