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  • Were the deaths of 20 “armed rebels” during september 11 2001 and the consequent killings in Pakistan a failure the Usonian government?
    Was the cause of the twin towers collapsing and ~3000 dying, a result of Usonia being too much of a police state?

    Or why not go to something more recent, is the armed rebellion since 2014 in Ukraine,
    that’s more recently backed by Russian troops, against Zelensky,
    an example to you that Ukraine is a police state?

    I’m sure if more armed rebels entered the capital it would have been incredibly messy and people would have died.

    Is thus the Jan 6th insurrection an example to you of Usonia being a police state?

    And killing a ton of people, regardless of why, is a failure of government.

    So if a government A declares war on government B and starts to use lethal force, it’s a failure of government B if it decides to kill the invading army?
    What if government A has a drug policy to keep as many people addicted to a drug in government B and if government
    What if government A decides to support a destructive religious cult in government B and these people start to violently suppress any form of criticism against them while infiltrating key political positions?

    And does a “failure of government” automatically mean that such government is a police state?

    Conflating one violent protest with another and then saying “Usonia Evil so China Good” is inane.

    No, what’s inane is to conflate the actions of a government that uses lethal force to respond to terrorists doing terrorist acts at a protest with legalized murder by car to any protester that blocks a roadway, have your secret police shoot and arrest anyone who films during a protest including journalists, have your secret police force migration of the homeless and of legal immigrants and citizens deemed “culturally inferior”, by calling them both police states.

    You are not living in a totalitarian police state when your government is failing to arrest a terrorist group carrying dozens of petrol bombs during a protest that was going on for months on end. A police state would suppress the protest on day one, which is what Usonia is doing to pro-Palestine protests. A totalitarian would surveil all protesters on day one, which is what Usonia is doing.

    Usonia is experiencing indirect pressure from another country for the first time in history,
    indirect pressure that is extremely mild and yet I would argue it’s reaction was to immediately put a fascist into power and go further into fascism than Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany tried to genocide all Jews, Usonia seems to target the whole planet except for the Zionist Jews.

    Usonia harbored an extreme “we are the exceptionally freedom people” ideology, an off-shoot of the century earlier “we are the exceptionally civilized people” ideology, but now due to the extremely mild external pressure, Usonia has gotten far worse and made a 180 degree turn to every rule it imposed on other nations for itself and now forces other nations to follow.
    Even worse, it’s gone so far as to flip these rules again on a daily whim, if not every hour, minute or second.
    Nazi Germany did not do that.

    Nazi Germany at least seemed to care somewhat about its own citizens.
    MAGA Usonia seems to want to starve its own citizens to death, even the vast majority of its own supporters seem to be inferior creatures not worth living in the eyes of the Usonian oligarchs.



  • folaht@lemmy.mltoMemes@lemmy.mlAnd the other is an image of some tanks
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    Only a few hundred people died, not thousands. And some people may have been armed! So it’s fine to kill scores of people.

    “Some people” aka insurrectionists were not maybe armed.
    These insurrectionists bombed and killed soldiers. And THEY. BOMBED. FIRST.
    There is no maybe in this scenario just as much as there is no maybe in the Jan 6th insurrection.
    What were these other soldiers supposed to do that are trained to fight and protect their country?
    Just stand there and take some more?
    What is the proper response according to you when a group of terrorists bombs a military convoy?

    The tanks were driving away and didn’t kill anyone this time

    They didn’t kill him because he posed no threat unlike the terrorists that bombed their convoy.
    End of story.


  • Ah, I see that the old Soviet system, vanguard democracy, is still in effect in the DPRK.
    This is still a better system than liberal democracy, where oligarchs make it impossible to choose a non-corrupt candidate that doesn’t do the bidding of the oligarchs after lying throughout the entire candidacy. And that’s by design.

    But this system has been superseded by China’s layered voting system, I believe introduced by Deng Xiaoping.


  • Are you being sarcastic?

    Because, and anyone correct me if I’m wrong,
    most people here know that what happened during the Tianenmen square insurrection was:

    1. Soldiers, mostly the army choir, are ordered to come unarmed and clear the square after months of students protesting in favor of Usonian state-backed exploitative economic teachings.
    2. 100+ Soldiers killed, mostly the army choir, by insurrectionists at a road adjacent to the square.
    3. Remaining army choir soldiers lead the protesters away through song from the square.
    4. 20+ Insurrectionists killed, as armed soldiers arrived and a battle broke out, on the same road.
    5. 100+ protesters killed, as a chaotic indirect consequence of the earlier insurrectionists’ actions, at a train station miles away.
    6. Tanks arrive at the square to prevent further escalation.
    7. Tanks leave the square as situation deescalated and tank man blocks the tanks for a while, then leaves, on the same road again.

    These insurrectionists went a lot further than the Usonian Jan 6th protest mostly known as the “Freedom Plaza massacre” where “peaceful protesters” entered the capitol building in order to “stop election fraud” where “perhaps 10s of thousands civilian lives were killed as US security opened fire at these peaceful protesters”, because unlike CIA-backed insurrectionists, these “peaceful protesters” were ordered by their higher ups to leave immediately instead of being encouraged to block the US army from arriving at Capitol Hill or attack the US army for that matter.