[green, speaking, looking smug]
Okay, hear me out, here’s the plan…
We go full apathy, basically we let capitalism fully spiral out into fascism. Once it’s done, people will rise up and the system will collapse under its own weight. From its ashes, with our help, a better society will rise. This is how we win.
[we now see that green is tied up in front of a bleak wall, along with a group of other people, being aimed at by a firing squad of characters in fascist uniforms]
[green, smiling] OK?
[blue, pissed] Dude…
After WW2 65 million people were dead and 50% of the boys and men in Germany were dead. Everyone loses with fascism
As a Millennial this is basically how I feel about Gen Z. Why are they so apathetic regarding everything? If anyone gets passionate about anything because they want something done about the rise of fascism, you get labeled as “crashing out”! It’s annoying as fuck!
Why are you generalizing a whole generation?
As a millennial, you should understand that there’s no coherent volition behind surplus objects like Gen Z. Do you remember how the US just added every muslim to the list of terrorists or how suddenly all single mothers in the UK became a parasite?
Trump was elected under millennials, not Z. Americans in general are apathetic - it’s a culture issue, not a generational one.
I see that difference extremely clearly now that I live in Finland.
Almost nobody is arguing this maybe i should give you the benefit of the doubt but I just can’t people hating your “nicer” imperialist genocidal capitalists don’t believe this.
Please use punctuation.
Every stupid fucking Marxists Leninist piece of shit and dumb-fuck psuedo-Palestine activist garbage fuckwitt who boycotted voting Kamala actively aided Trump, and thus chose the vastly more pro-genocide option
Yes how dare folks not go out an vote for a candidate that would have Genocide 50% of the time. Don’t people know that is smaller than the candidate the genocides 100% of the time
I’m sure the people of Iran, and the Hispanic folks being sent to concentration camps, or anyone who relied on US aid programs are grateful for your extreme shortsightedness and inability to do very basic situational analysis that you couldn’t see the blood puddle under Kamala was smaller than under Trump.
I’m sure they’ll get on their hands and knees to praise you before their little girls’ school is bombed or the ICE agents put their gun in their mouths and pull the trigger.
You’re such a brave warrior/activists and your actions are so amazingly effective at saving lives. /s
Than it’s a good thing I am not arguing some moral superiority. The argument is regardless which candidate won blood of the innocent every day still getting spilled by the machine. It supposedly being smaller doesn’t make it better
Less death and destruction is always a better option. Its a simple matter of the Trolley problem, and if you can’t figure that one out, you got major issues.
I haven’t even jumped into the fact that getting actual progressive and anti-genocide politicians in office went from difficult to nearly impossible because millions of pathetic psuedo-leftists decided they’d rather collapse the US from flawed democracy to fascist shithole with nukes.
And with this trolley problem it is either one track with 100 bodies or a track thatids 99.
I rather spend my time getting all 199 bodies off the tracks thank you very much
Except they don’t believe this at all and maybe we should fight so there is no pro genocide option instead of one you assign lesser pro genocide.
Except they don’t believe this at all
I know, they don’t believe in objective reality.
and maybe we should fight so there is no pro genocide option instead of one you assign lesser pro genocide.
- I never assigned Kamala as the lesser of two evils nor the less damaging and less genocidal. That was/is simple reality, and more genocide and atrocities are now happening in part due to these people’s inaction. The blood is partially on their hands too
- You’re entirely missing the point. The choice was either voting Kamala or aiding Trump with inaction, thus causing far more death and suffering. There wasn’t an alternative. If there was, I would have also chosen it. We aren’t free from reality just because its grim and horrible.
- We can fight against genocide while also not surrendering to fascism. Hence the point of the comic.
Okay, but capitalism dystopia is not going to look like that. In real capitalism, that wall will be covered in advertisements and motivation posters.
This isn’t even the stupidest point of accelerationism. That’s the assumption that your personal utopia will emerge from the ashes, instead of something much worse.
The simple fact of the matter is that there is no path to “perfect” which doesn’t track through an infinite amount of “better” first.
Reminds me of this meme:
The real solution btw is just a better consensus mechanism in our electoral process in the form of STAR Voting.
It is quite literally that simple.
The lack of choice (as explained in Duverger’s Law) is what kills our politics and helps the media portray all political battles as us vs them and not “What shade out of a million shades of gray should this policy be?”.tl;dr - STAR Voting is quite literally a panacea for nearly all the extreme ills that plague our politics - even a large portion of “voting doesn’t matter so I won’t” apathy…because to vote “strategically” under STAR Voting is to just vote honestly and every vote matters. No revolution required - just a better electoral process. I’m happy to answer any questions.
Someone do a version of the comic with this guy’s comment as the text of the first panel, please.
Accelerationism is really dumb which is why it’s such a popular strawman.
Does someone have a different opinion? Well, it could be that different people have different ideas about how the world works as well as different priorities. But that’s all complicated and nuanced and forces you to contend with different perspectives. Instead, just assume that everyone has your perspective because it’s just inherently obvious to everyone, but some people are intentionally trying to make things worse because they’re stupid and evil.
Virtually no one is an actual accelerationist.
There’s also climate accelerationism, which is least logically sound. If humans wipe themselves out, then the problem will be solved.
Potentially at the expense of all non-microbial life.
I don’t think that’s on the cards. Non-microbial life has survived 70% of the planet’s forests going up in flames as a consequence of a massive asteroid impact, and the ensuing years or possibly decade+ of planet-wide ash and dust clouds blocking out the sun. And that was just the latest mass extinction event.
You’re giving humanity far too much credit by assuming we’d be capable of anything comparable right now.
True, but that is part of the natural order. At the end of the day, humans are just another parasitic and unchecked species that is probably going to learn about their own environmental limits the hard way.
humans are just another parasitic and unchecked species that is probably going to learn about their own environmental limits the hard way.
Humans are the exception precisely because they can see the axe falling and move out of the way.
Outside of the fossil fuel dominated US/Saudi sphere, we’ve seen an enormous collaborated effort to curb greenhouse gases. Not everyone is ignoring the risks and consequences.
What we have the capitalist West is a conscious choice between short term profit and long term survival.
Yes, some have taken steps to move away from fossil fuels, but not all, and most scientists agree it is too late without negative emissions. I agree that it is largely driven by capitalism, and that in and of itself is a root cause of many problems with our species and should be done away with, but if it takes the entire world falling apart to make the realities undeniably apparent, then so be it. I’m not saying I want it to happen, just that that may be the only thing that can make the conditions for real lasting change.
most scientists agree it is too late
I mean, “too late” for what is always the question. Folks keep insisting The Apocalypse is next month. And then it doesn’t come, and we get a wave of “I guess nothing actually ever happens” during a new record heat wave.
if it takes the entire world falling apart to make the realities undeniably apparent, then so be it
The world is a big place. It’s not clear what “falling apart” is even supposed to look like.
I’m seeing people predicting a 4% drop in population because of a particularly harsh El Nino this year. I’ve been hearing about a looming economic crash that’s at least ten years overdue.
At the scope of a human life, all of this is still very gradual change. You’re going to be living in the middle of it and not realize how much has changed because you never knew subzero weather in St. Louis or glaciers in Montana were normal.
The talk is of some kind of sharp sudden drop, and not the further churn of a 30,000 year old global extinction event.
The problem is capitalism. Don’t make it about humans as a species when there are countless counter examples we can learn from
What accerationists don’t realise is that the average liberal already knows the US is fascist and evil billionaires control everything. That average liberal wants change. But they aren’t doing anything, because they’re thinking “surely when it gets REALLY bad, people will rise up”. Just like the accelerationists. Accelerationists and liberals are the same group.
No. Many far left groups we’re literally saying the same shit in the comic.
That makes them liberals. My purity test for leftism is whether you’re actually putting in effort to make the world a better place. Millions fail!
average liberal already knows the US is fascist
No. They always think the current moment is the exception and everything way very respectable and dignified historically.
That’s why you’ve got liberals venerating Reagan, Clinton, and Bush, having completely whitewashed the horror of those presidencial eras from their minds.
That is pure nonsense.
You aren’t going to find liberals venerating Reagan, Bush, and Clinton because those people only exist in your mind. They don’t exist in reality.
You aren’t going to find liberals venerating Reagan, Bush, and Clinton
How Democrats Came to Feel Nostalgic for George W. Bush
“Did we ever think we would see the day when we would say, ‘Please bring back George W. Bush’?” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said during an interview with Evan Smith last week. “We really did work together.”
Former Democratic Representative Katie Hill tweeted, “In a million years I never thought I’d be crying watching this, thinking how much better we’d all feel if Bush were president today. Wtf.”
- That isn’t the same thing.
- Democrat does not equal liberal.
Do you have anything intellectually HONEST to add to the conversation, or are you done with this sophomoric attempt at propaganda?
Democrat does not equal liberal.
Oh, you scratched yours, didn’t you?
I don’t think you can find a liberal who thinks the Reagan or Bush presidencies were anything but bad.
I don’t think people get that this difference makes a difference. As a millennial going through college during the GW Bush years, there was at least a Republican party that cared about America, cared about non political government institutions and the service those members participate in, etc. Since the tea party that shit changed. And I don’t think it’s hard to believe Mitt Romney actually cares about this country and means what he says on this thing. I feel disgusted defending Romney, but I kind of miss it when it was guys like Romney were the political opponents in power and not these MAGA folks hellbent on destroying democracy and politicizing the institutions critical to America.
I just found 96 liberals who fit that description.
I think they’re thinking “shit I can barely survive and have two jobs and I don’t want my kids to starve and I’m taking care of my elderly parents. I can’t go riot or my whole family will suffer.”
Accelerationism isn’t just being apathetic, it’s actively making things worse. It’s voting for Trump because the DNC didn’t elect Bernie Sanders.
Lenin was much the same. He knew a revolution wouldn’t happen if things got better, so he did everything he could to make things as bad as humanly possible. When the provisional government came along, granted free speech rights and universal suffrage, Lenin was vehemently opposed to it, because you can’t have a communist revolution when stuff is going well. A stable government is not one you can overthrow.
It’s voting for Trump
Accelerationism is when you vote. And the more you vote, the faster things get
I voted for Biden and things did indeed get worse. Now we see that Trump was voted in and they are getting worse. Soon we will vote in a new Congress and then a new President and things will continue to get worse.
Thankfully I stopped voting after Biden, so my bad luck 🍀 has peaked.
PSA to all the “voters” out there. I no longer worry about politics because I know that things can only get worse. 😎
Thankfully I stopped voting after Biden, so my bad luck 🍀 has peaked.
I mean, you joke. But folks really do seem to believe there’s a karmic curse on people who “vote wrong”. That’s the entire theory of Leopards Eating Faces, anyway.
A stable government is not one you can overthrow.
Governments (nations) are in their nature not stable. Governments can be overthrown at any moment. It is a question of how many are willing to participate, which is not that many.
because you can’t have a communist revolution when stuff is going well
Not Lenin’s reasoning, nor is it as a statement true. Revolutions have happened exactly at points where things were looking up, take the transitions that have happened in history where monarchies were superseded by the liberal state. It is not a cyclical trend where, oh no, we have some sort of downtrend in productivity or some other sort of crisis and then the magical revolution comes to save the day. Revolutions happen because systems are forced to adopt organisational structures that satisfy (novel) needs, not because of shittiness.
