Can’t be done by the next us president.
This is gonna be decades.
I doubt we’ll ever recover from this.
Unless, things get so fucked that it results in multiple landslide elections for the opposing party. If they had a supermajority in every branch, they could practically rewrite it all from scratch.
There is no opposing party in the US
Yeah the next president would have to come from a new party is literally the first thing on my long list of what would need to be done
That’s still not enough. Even if you rewrite the rules, you need to show that the opposing side also supports the same rules.
Hence the end of rules-based order.
That was my bad, I got it in my head that we were talking about fixing the fuck ups. You’re right, trust will take time, but I think everyone will be willing to at least give us a chance once the orange one is gone.
No they won’t. He was in once and then gone. But he came back and so much worse. He has demonstrated that not only is there enough appetite among the voting populace for his brand of hate and violence, but that our institutions are woefully incapable of protecting their own country let alone the fucking world. Prior to that I’m sure most of the world would have thought straight up kidnapping a “democratically” elected world leader and a full on unprovoked war (in all but name) would be impossible. But here we are. Anything short of an actual uprising or revolution won’t be sufficient on their own. I’d bet good money we don’t have a chance at seeing a return to the position and soft power we held for at least half a century.
The Orange one has demonstrated how useless the system is at dealing with him. It doesn’t matter what the next guy says, everyone has seen that the guy after that can just blatantly ignore the rules again, tear up and ignore agreements, and nothing will stop him.
That’s the real problem. The promises and signed agreements of America mean nothing now. I don’t know how you fix that without some serious structural changes and some way of proving those changes will be actually enforced.
Sorry for the wall of text, but I’ve been thinking a lot about what we would have to do to redeem America in the eyes of its citizens, the world, and history. In order to do that, MAGA must be fully crushed, and purged from our government and society. Nothing less is acceptable.
First of all, MAGA must be dealt with as the ongoing National Security Threat that it genuinely is. They are responsible for a violent Insurrection, and the theft of hundreds of classified documents, as well as breath-taking corruption, that they don’t even bother to hide. They are a treasonous organization that must be treated like the Nazis or the KKK, and essentially prohibited from existing. Their leaders should be arrested and imprisoned for their crimes.
In addition, the election fraud from the 2024 election must be exposed, and the Trump administration declared invalid. That will roll back ALL EOs, legislation, appointments, SCOTUS decisions, etc. It will be like the second Trump administration didn’t exist.
And that includes his Pardons, which are all criminal cover ups. ALL Trump pardons are invalid, and those criminals have to return to serve out their sentences. Anyone who doesn’t voluntarily surrender, will be charged with escape, and get another decade attached to their sentence with no time off for good behavior or parole. Every pardon will be investigated, and anyone found to have paid a bribe of any kind, will get additional charges, as well as anyone who facilitated the payments, such as family members, accountants, lawyers, politicians, etc.
Anyone involved in the January 6 insurrection will be declared prohibited from holding public office, per the 14th Amendment, Section 3. Anyone who amplified the Big Lie that the 2020 election was stolen, the primary motivation of the Insurrection, is complicit, and is prohibited from public office. If you EVER said that Trump won the 2020 election, and/or the Democrats stole it, then you were an active participant in the Insurrection, and you can’t hold office. If you are in a debate, and you are asked who won the 2020 election, and you say Trump, you are instantly disqualified. If you were instrumental in planning or organizing the Insurrection, then it’s life in prison.
That includes every single person who spoke at the rally just before the Insurrection. Remember that video of them all in the backstage tent before the rally? Every single one of those people should serve life prison sentences. They were laughing and partying, as they honestly thought they were launching a violent attack that would result in the deaths of numerous politicians, including the VP, and the end of our democratic government, so they could install Trump as dictator for life. The very top leaders should be publicly executed.
With all those MAGAs instantly out of office due to 14A, and MAGAs not allowed to ever hold office, it will take a while for whatever new conservative party organizes (the Republicans were just the larval stage of MAGA, so they’re dead, too), and starts to run candidates that qualify under 14A/S3, and anti-MAGA laws. That gives the Dems the opportunity to pass all sorts of legislation to get America on a decent moral path into the future. Part of it will be laws that codify certain rights that conservatives have tried to suppress, like reproductive rights, immigrant rights, workers rights, etc.
And we have to pass strong anti-corruption laws, and that starts by changing the way we treat wealth in this country. Sociopathic Oligarchs have untreated OCD Hoarding syndrome, which manifests as financial hoarding, and it is become bad enough that it is having serious detrimemtal impacts on the majority of the citizens of the WORLD. We can’t do anything about it in other countries, but we can certainly change things on America.
If someone was hoarding cats, or rusty old appliances, etc, to the point that it was affecting the lifestyles and property values of their neighbors, the authorities would step in and end it. We need to do that with financial hoarders. We need to confiscate their hoards, and redistribute it. Just like all those cats need to find nice families, we can find better uses for that Sociopathic Oligarch money.
The wealthy think we serve them, and we have to make them understand that they keep their wealth at the pleasure of the people, and the minute that wealth is not serving the people, it will be entirely confiscated, and the Sociopathic Oligarch will be imprisoned. Further, their family will be prevented from accessing public assistance, scholarships, etc. They will be officially destitute.
Sociopathic Oligarchs who have already egregiously violated the public trust (Trump, of course, Musk, Theil, Ellison, Bezos, Zuckerfuck, etc.) will have their entire hoards fully confiscated immediately, and their fortunes used to rebuild America, and provide the seed funding for social programs like free healthcare, daycare, college/trade school, UBI, etc.
Wealth will be HEAVILY taxed, not work. Workers under a certain income will pay no income tax, that will be covered by the wealthy and corporations. Anyone found to hiding wealth in offshore/ foreign banks, will have their entire hoard confiscated, and they will be imprisoned.
We will no longer fund ANYTHING for capitalists. They can pay for what they want. No more stadiums, no more tax breaks, nothing but heavy taxes on your profits, AND your personal revenue. We pay for services for the people FIRST, and whatever is leftover can be allocated to the military and such, but not one penny will ever go to billionaires or they corporations.
It is also imperative that we pass strong Campaign Finance Reform, which is the single issue from which ALL other issues flow. We must prohibit money in campaigns, and tightly regulate them regarding length, and campaign language. The kind of lies and rhetoric we heard from Trump will result in immediate disqualification from the campaign.
And to prevent this all from happening again 50 years in the future, the educational curriculum will be created and administered by the Federal government. 2+2=4, CAT spells cat in every state, we don’t need 50 different curriculums. That just allows Red states to teach treasonous, racist propaganda. The new curriculum will have a strong emphasis on Critical Thinking Skills, including how to recognize and reject propaganda. It will also teach proper history, including Slavery and the Native American Genocide, with an emphasis on acknowledging those atrocities so that they can’t happen again.
All of this can be done without running afoul of our laws or the Constitution, it just takes the political courage and will to do it. The American people want it, we just have to force our political representatives to do what they are told, and to do that, we have to make them fear us. If you have Dem in the House or Senate who is a cowardly weenie, vote them out in the primary, in favor of an angry reformer. Let’s send a bunch of pissed off Democrats to DC to kick ass in BOTH parties.
This is the most thought out take I’ve seen and it makes me angry it won’t happen
Thanks for the compliment, but respectfully, YOU are the problem. They are politicians and are inherently lazy and greedy. If you give them permission to do nothing, that is exactly what they’ll do, and they’ll go back to their insider trading and grifting.
We are in unprecedented times, and require unprecedented solutions. We absolutely cannot accept the same strategy of “We’ve tried nothing, and we’re all out of ideas.”
There is no reason we have to keep doing the same failed strategies of the past. Instead of telling them that we’ll accept nothing, send the message that if we take the country back from MAGA with our votes AGAIN, they better not squander it a second time, or they will suffer the same punishments as MAGA, which will be a LOT worse if we have to go through it a third round.
This is their last shot, and they better do what they are elected to do, or else.
I know it’s more the general “you”, but still damn. I’m doing the best I can from a deep red state and area (Missouri district 2). I do tons of various volunteer work alongside working with a local socialist group assisting in education and organizing protests. Dems are trying to get something here, but they have an incredibly hard battle if they want to beat Ann Wagner, let alone the duo of Josh “Jogs” Hawley and Eric Schmitt. Last time we had a Dem representing us was for 2 years back in the early 90s and the current one has held her job for 13 years.
Yeah, I mean YOU to mean all the people who hear what we need to do, and just immediately surrender with a resigned sigh that it will never happen. And it won’t, unless we MAKE it happen.
I get your situation, I live in Central Florida, the last Democratic stronghold in the state, which is under direct attack by MAGAs. Over the next few years, they are planning to build an entirely NEW city from scratch, between Orlando and the East Coast, that will be as large as Orlando, which will greatly reduce the Democratic
How do you start a conservative city from scratch? You allow the Mormon Church to buy thousand of acres of land, including protected conservation land, and then let them build a city dedicated to their church, so they can have a West Coast capital, and an East Coast Capital.
Central Florida is about to be invaded by some of the most gullible religious weirdos on the planet.
It’s surprising how many states are actually fairly evenly split, but the Right has convinced people that their vote is powerless, so they don’t bother. If all those Democrats came out to vote, a few Red states would have some surprise flips. This would be a great election to do that, since the MAGAs are so depressed, many will be voting Dem, and many won’t vote at all. The Dems could really crush them, and I’d love to see the MAGAs cry when they get bloodbathed even worse than they expected…
Arrest and convict everyone involved with the Epstein administration. Cede the power that was grabbed by the executive branch under that administration and create laws preventing it from happening again. Push for impeachments of three supreme court justices that have abused the shadow docket.
Restore all goverment bodies that were defunded and fed to the shredder. Completely disband ICE, put forward some policy that benefits the country, like expanding medicare coverage and funding, maybe with some of that isreal weapons money…
A complete overhaul of the electoral process that allowed fascists to gain complete control.
A complete overhaul of the society that became so sick that they willingly put the fascists there. Twice.
A complete overhaul of the elittest pedophile bi/trillionaire class that has unfettered control over every branch of state and federal government and meddles in foreign affairs across the globe.
In short: The USA would need to be torn down and rebuilt.
The fact you guys are still treating Trump as a “one off” is wild.
To the rest of the world that’s the image of Americans, for decades now.
That is something Americans don’t really understand. Trump has pushed the envelope but he isn’t as much of an outlier as many Americans would like to believe. His incompetence and arrogance make it easy to see how awful he is but his agenda is the regular American agenda with some more guardrails removed. They don’t seem to notice that their Senate, Congress and Supreme Court have mainly supported him with exceedingly little pushback.
The biggest difference between Trump and his predecessors is that Trump is not pretending.
Regan, Bush, Clinton, the other Bush, Obama, Biden, they all bomb whoever they want, kill whoever they want, support Israel’s genocidal policy, interfere in another country elections, … all those bad things that Trump are not hiding.
For the rest of the world it’s business as usual but this time not behind closed doors.
To trust Americans was and it is impossible.
The US isn’t going to get that trust back that it had before.
The next President would need to pass a massive bill dedicated to anti- corruption laws with real criminal consequences. This includes the entire house. No more shareholders. No more felons in politics.
Then two term limits for the Congress and Senate.
Then a bill that limits executive orders, and elimination of presidential pardons.
This would change the entire way the US government has worked in 250 years.
Start by rolling back every shit executive order Trump made.
Make it safe for us Canadian to go on vacation in the USA again.
Prosecute Trump’s entire cabinet.
Only if there was another person like trump that was correctly jailed. Putting trump in prison is easy now, but the USA would need to become reliable at stopping fascists
At this point, its impossible.
Something every single person on Earth, especially Americans, needs to learn and make peace with this simple fact:
The American empire has fallen
Pax-Americana is permanently over
The literal best case scenario for the USA now is a postwar Germany situation. No longer a superpower, but a steady somewhat socialist state that mostly keeps to itself.
The one X factor that may give America an edge to recovery is the same X factor that enabled its success to begin with:
America is large and America is relatively geographically isolated from all other major powers
Trust by who? Europe? China? US citizens?
For Europe we will probably go back to normal trade relationship after a few terms without a MAGA.
European defense will prioritise domestic spending, which was probably the intention because we can then sell you bombs if you end up in a conflict with China.
European IT spending will also favour domestic stuff instead of American companies for a very long time, but without any upside like the arms industry.
Prosecuting Trump and his cronies would be a start
Gaining trust starts with accountability. People who have abused their position of power need appropriate punishment and be made to pay for the damage they have done.
We have taken a “let’s just move on” strategy too often in the past. The American people aren’t going to buy it this time.
As far as trust for America the country is concerned, holding guilty parties accountable will help that too, but mostly what it will take is time.
To fix it quickly you are going to have to abuse your power immediately like Republicans have. But you are also going to need at minimum a majority in the house and Senate, preferably a supermajority which I doubt that happens.
Prosecute traitors immediately.
Immediately expand the supreme court
Help install safeguards so this never happens again. Like for presidential nominess for secretary of defense or education. Only select people who work in that field and with knowledge of the job can nominate people for consideration and the president can only hire those nominated
the problem is the abuse of power. you won’t gain back trust by abusing power. this thinking is the reason it won’t happen
Actually I don’t care I want revenge
then you are part of the problem, congratulations
As a unitedstatesian: I genuinely do not believe the trust we’ve squandered with parts of the world that (previously) didn’t mind us / considered us allies is going to be recovered in my lifetime. Our idiocy has put far too many things in motion that are going to have irrevocable consequences for the very long term. For instance: just today, the US is apparently considering suspending Spain for disrupting operation Epstein Fury, despite the fact that there is absolutely no mechanism within the NATO charter to unilaterally do that to Spain.
Yeah, the USA had the momentum after WW2, and they just lost it.
