U.S. Vice President JD Vance said on April 14 that he is proud of Washington cutting off funding to Ukraine amid Russian aggression, listing it among the Trump administration’s top achievements.
Speaking at a Turning Point USA event in Athens, Georgia, Vance recalled being confronted by a Ukrainian-American over his calls to halt funding for Ukraine.
“And this person got really agitated at me because I was saying we should stop funding the Ukraine war,” Vance said.
You gotta do some serious mental gymnastics to present helping enemies as achievement
Hey R voters and sitouts: proud yet?
Republicans literally don’t give a shit about Ukraine.
I’ve made the mistake before of assuming they had a basic sense of human decency. I pointed out that trump and congressional republicans would pull funding for Ukrainian defense, and I was blindsided when someone responded to me as if they view that as a good thing.
I was flabbergasted, dumbfounded. What do you even say to that? How do you even debate someone who lacks any semblance of logic or empathy?
And yet the same people think it’s fine that we’re still giving bombs to Israel, and launching billion-dollar rockets at Iranian civilians.
It’s absolutely insane.
I gave up trying to explain to the sitouts why they did wrong. But they refuse to understand even the most basic concept of the lesser evil. All you hear when you discuss with them is “lib”, “libtard”, some basic insults and a fixed set of “reasons” why they couldn’t get to vote for harris and why it’s not their fault at all that pedohitler is president.
They are just cowards who refuse to admit they fucked up greatly. It’s always someone else’s fault with them.
If anything, their fixation on using GENOCIDE to attack anyone with a dissenting view, instead of engaging and considering anything other than GENOCIDE, has desensitized people to the word. Watch as i get smacked around for being a ‘GENOCIDE supporter’ lol.
The thing about voting for a lesser evil, is you’re still voting for evil. You’re complicit in evil and then pat yourself on the back for it. You perpetuate an evil system and then are surprised when it gets more evil, and then blame those who tell you support someone not evil, while complaining about the evil you wrought. Its mindboggling.
Fine, let’s work out a system that’s better and get it in place. In the meantime, this is the system we have: a two-party system. In the case of the last election, one candidate was clearly far, far more abhorrent than the other. If you can’t see or admit that, then we don’t have anything to discuss. Anyone who saw that, yet didn’t vote, is complicit in us ending up with the far worse option.
The fact that you think voting for someone you admit was abhorrent is admirable is hilarious. Getting mad at someone who didn’t do that is like offering someone the choice between dirt and shit for dinner, and then getting mad at them when they say let’s find some actual food.
You sure keep avoiding the central question: do you think we would be better or worse under Kamala as compared to Trump?
You literally didn’t ask that until now. 😂 Can’t answer something you didn’t ask. Just like the election, you’re oversimplifying things by trying to turn it into a binary choice. I don’t think Kamala would have done anything to fix the problems that led us to Trump, and it would have given the fascists more time to organize instead of the chaotic mess we have right now. Maybe take advantage of that instead of attacking the people who are on your side?
You do realize that speech in The Witcher was at the beginning of a character arc, and he gives up on that viewpoint as the story goes on?
Huh? The fuck are you talking about?
Maybe there wouldnt be so many sit outs if the Democratic party actually tried to help people, or at least said they will. People are fucking stupid. Whether you think voting for the lesser evil is logically correct or not, that’s evidently not how the average American feels. Running an uninspiring, pro genocide campaign doesn’t encourage people who don’t feel targeted by current politics to engage.
If there’s ever another fair election, they simply have to do better. The bar was in the floor and they couldn’t clear it.
Yup, people need to understand its the candidate’s responsibility to get people to come out and vote for them. If they aren’t able to do that people should blame them for being a bad candidate and not trying to reach the masses.
Kamala spent so much effort trying to court republican voters, whom would never vote for her, rather than focusing on the 35% of the population that didn’t vote. Two policy choices would have convinced a good chuck of the non voters to come out, no genocide (This is literally the bare minimum and should be easy) and one of the following: universal healthcare, universal childcare, legalized pot, or a reasonable path to citizenship for immigrants. She refused to try and win in my opinion it should have been such an easy election but she did everything possible to fuck it up and people should be pissed at her and the democrats for doing that, not the people who didn’t want to vote for genocide.
I voted for green party candidate. Are you proud for supporting the genocide & 20k children that Biden helped fund killing & sent bombs to kill them, and that his administration vetoed ceasefire resolutions, & that Kamala Cheney couldn’t think of anything she’d do differently?
Yeah, we know that you supported Russian asset Jill stein. For such good and noble reasons… 😂😂😂
LOL, you repeat that with no evidence. Do you repeat the 40k dead peaceful protestors too? What about the weapons of mass destruction? I mean with Kamala Cheney praising that war criminal, you must believe that lie, right?
I don’t know what you’re trying to imply but you act in support of the kremlin so that’s kinda all that anyone needs to know about you.
No, it is you that supports authoritarian & fascism. You voted for an ardent apartheid supporter.
You voted for Donald Trump with extra steps and I don’t care how much you dispute it, the truth can and will never change about that.
So took you took action that helped the GOP, instead of biting the sour apple and trying to prevent the GOP from winning, you helped fracture the opposition to them, for what?
The weird satisfaction of avoiding a hypothetical scenario that would have been less bad than the current one.
Give yourself a nickel, you played yourself well.
No I participated in Democracy and voted for who I felt best represented me. I voted for the Palestinian choice and stood in solidarity with Palestinians. You know the people you still mock and claim deserve what they got and deserve to die, and that you claim are stupid. The only people playing here are Democrats. They absolutely give zero shits about Palestinians or Muslims. They only care about Zionists. Heck, you can’t even get Democratic leadership to vote still on ending the funding for this illegal war, and many of them have come out in support of Trump’s actions.
With the current political system in the US when you have a system based on FPTP, a ridiculously undemocratic system, you can’t use normal democratic rules.
You need to play the game within the rules.
The green party has zero chance to get into congress or gain any influence, they will only steal votes from the Democrats, and that will only serve the GOP.
Until the US rids it self from FPTP, any vote for any other party other than the Dems will gain the GOP.
Democrats deserve to lose then. I mean I honestly don’t see any difference at this point between Zionist and Democrats. They both do evil things and then claim they are the victims. If only people like you would actually have a moral compass then you’d spend your time criticizing anyone who didn’t vote for a green party candidate.
If you admit this was about who “deserves” a political consequence, you have just admitted you never gave a fuck about Gaza to begin with. It was about weird punishment for you. Thanks for admitting that.
I get your feeling of hopelessness, the best you can do right now is to work to promote proportional representation over FPTP, and while doing that keep voting to keep the GOP out of power, meaning voting democrat.
So you want me to vote against the Palestinian’s preferred choice of Green Party for AIPAC-owned pro-genocide Democrats in order to save the Palestinians, because you believe Palestinians are too stupid to know what is good for them? Was it good for you when ICE, trained by the IDF, killed a few Americans? That is who your politicians vote to support. Your choices have consequences.
Strawman fallacy, these people do not support the genocide, they support electing the lesser evil.
Lesser evil? Mass slaughtering children is just evil. There is no moral high ground when that is what you support.
How do you not understand those words? Lesser evil: the less evil one, which Biden is compared to Trump. And you voted on something that was never going to happen, which basically makes it a non-vote. Voting for Biden isn’t anyone’s end game, it’s about doing what can be done with the current choices, then after that hope for an even lesser evil to vote and so on. This thread is about you, but you clearly don’t comprehend that.
Are you referring to the 2022 bombing of a maternity hospital in Mariupol, the 2024 bombing of a maternity hospital in Kyiv, or the 2025 attacks against children’s hospitals in Kherson, Kharkiv, Kamianske, and Odessa? (These are just the results from the first page of search results.)
Or are you referring to Russia literally stealing Ukrainian children from their families to try to erase their culture?
I say those things to say this: We can all pretend to be stupid when it suits us. I know you weren’t thinking of Ukrainian children. It suits me right now to ensure those examples are fresh on your mind.
The game of politics is still being played even if you chose to make moves that didn’t contribute strategically. The U.S. system is not democratic, and unless it is reformed, voters must compromise their morals to achieve some of their aims. It sucks, but it’s the reality.
You made a call. You thought it was the most moral thing you could do at the time.Rather than attack your past decisions, or try to convince you to see things from my worldview — I want to ask if you could go back in time and explain the current state of the world to yourself do you think you would make the same voting decisions again?
Hamas October 7 incursion was arguably a genocide against Israel. For example Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears:
In the video, the woman known as Witness S mimes the attackers picking up and passing the victim from one to another.
“She was alive,” the witness says. “She was bleeding from her back.”
She goes on to detail how the men cut off parts of the victim’s body during the assault.
“They sliced her breast and threw it on the street,” she says. “They were playing with it.”
The victim was passed to another man in uniform, she continues.
“He penetrated her, and shot her in the head before he finished. He didn’t even pick up his pants; he shoots and ejaculates.”
One man we spoke to from the festival site said he heard the “noises and screams of people being murdered, raped, decapitated”.
And Hamas kidnapped 250 Israeli civilians and soldiers were also taken as hostages to the Gaza Strip, including 30 kidnapped children.
This was straight out an act of war. Hamas, with the majority support of Gaza Palestinians, started this war. While I do not endorse everything Israel has done in Gaza, the basic justification for Israel’s invasion of Gaza to rescue their hostages was 100% legitimate. And Biden and Harris set limits on what Israel could do, unlike Trump.
You’re a fucking joke, a fascist repeating hasbara lies desperately trying to normalize genocide. You can pretend history began on October 7th all you want. Unfortunately for you, the days where you could whitewash Israel’s decades long campaign to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from their homeland are over. People see the vile shit you’re spewing for what it is.
Zionism is just 20th century ethnonationalism trying to disguise itself using the real trauma and oppression of Jewish people as a cloak to hide a holocaust of it’s own making. You alongside ever zionist antisemitic piece of shit including Biden and Harris can fuck right off. You are legitimately no better than Trump or any other white nationalist asshole. Your beliefs are identical and the world can see it even if you can’t.
“A genocide against Israel”🤣
This is the sort of shit Democrat voters say unironically.
But they had to sit out the election because of Palestine!
Not that they care that Trump just lifted all restrictions on Bibi in Gaza, the morally important thing is to teach Harris a lesson!
I used to be critical of sitouts but over time I’ve grown more sympathetic towards them. Imagine voting out Trump with the expectation that Trump is going to come swinging next election and democrats will prepare to make sure fascism doesn’t get a foothold in America. And then for the next 4 years you see nothing being done to prevent fascism and what worse, you see democrats capitulate to fascists and normalize fascism by moving to the right themselves. I too would get jaded about voting when there’s no “I don’t want fascists” option. What failed America weren’t the sitouts. It’s the decades of political apathy letting corporations take over politics, which has led to republicans going full fascist and democrats turning into controlled opposition.
Blaming the sitouts isn’t going to solve anything because what are they supposed to do? Voting for democrats isn’t going to get rid of the fascists, it’s only going to delay until the democrats themselves turn openly fascist. Obviously they shouldn’t vote for the republican party because that’s a lost cause. Voting current third party candidates is kinda pointless because of how the political system works. So what’s the solution you expect from the sitouts? I’dsay sitouts have nothing to do until there’s a schism in the democratic party and the progressives split from the establishment democrats. Then sitouts should vote for the progressives and I imagine the vast majority of them will because then they’ll actually have someone willing to represent them.
And then for the next 4 years you see nothing being done to prevent fascism
While Biden should have done more, Trump was put on trial. The system could and should have worked, and Trump would be in prison, except for the corrupt judges instated by Republicans who sabotaged the trials. Especially SCROTUS.
And now the sitouts, who you are sympathetic to, has just put Republicans in power again. And Republicans are appointing more corrupt judges, stacking the courts. All because of sitouts. And then when Democrats are in power again, sitouts will again complain about Democrats doing nothing when those corrupt judges block Democrats. Fuck sitouts, they are stupid.
Do you know what would’ve kept Trump away? Absolute low-hanging fruits like fixing the healthcare system and affordability. Democrats could’ve taken a “what’s a social democracy” checklist, put half of them as their campaign promises and had a landslide victory. The democrats didn’t need to put Trump in prison to prevent him, all they needed to do was give the people what they need and they couldn’t even do that because it would hurt their corporate overlords.
It’s funny these people seem a lot more upset at you than at people who actually voted for trump. It’s like the democratic party personified, “don’t blame us, blame the voters”
People not wanting blood on their hands is not an endorsement of Republicans doing more of the same.
The only reason you even frame it like that is because you can’t defend a party of mass murderers on their own merits, so you have to compare them to Republicans to absolve your own complicity.
People not wanting blood on their hands is not an endorsement of Republicans doing more of the same.
Children… 😞
Didn’t Mom and Dad teach you about the US system of government? That a vote is for a better option not a perfect option? That you’re voting for the public benefit? That it’s sometimes about just keeping things from getting worse?
“I didn’t vote” means your didn’t do even the bare minimum thing you could have done to have stopped Trump. You’re culpable.
I won’t be talked down to by people who are fine with the mass slaughter of children. You voted for that. That makes you culpable, so go fuck yourself.
Don’t you have 5th period math to get to or something?
