As long as we’re creating ethnostates and enabling genocide, let’s go wild
It’s okay. Israel is easily confused for the Jewish people if you’re stupid. I get it
It shouldn’t be for anybody who calls themselves an anarchist
I don’t trust anarchists as far as I can throw an elephant anyway. Easier to just not engage people who almost never act in good faith.
Wild. When I think of the most sincere and well-argued people I’ve ever met, the two positions that come to mind immediately are vegans and anarchists. Are you sure you aren’t confusing anarchist political philosophy with the highschool tier / edgy teen perception of anarchy?
A few days ago, I had a discussion whether or not to invite explicitly zionist orgs to an antinational event.
While I argued that being zionist and antinational are mutually-exclusive, I received the weird comment by a self-described anarchist that “you don’t have to focus your antinationalism on the only jewish state and refuge”.
Bitch, it’s not me who’s focussing on “the jewish state”, it’s you who’s bending over backwards to protect a genocidal, imperialist power because your grandpa was a nazi!
How do you spot a German at a leftist event?
It’s the one who’s telling you that you don’t get how antisemitism works.It’s the one who’s telling you that you don’t get how antisemitism works.
And he is correct because he actually spent time learning about it.
bending over backwards to protect a genocidal, imperialist power
Is this a direct reference to you?
And he is correct because he actually spent time learning about it.
As someone living in Germany, I can confidently tell you:
Nah.
A majority of leftists think antisemitism begins when with „gas the Jews“.
So for you antisemitism starts with “jews are not allowed to genocide arabs”, huh?
Nope.
Lol hasbara back at it
Quite a few haven’t understood it, despite having learned about it
Antisemitism is bad. Antisemitism is when Nazis gas Jews in Auschwitz.
That‘s a widespread opinion, also among the left. Leftists typically consider themselves immune from antisemitism because they aren’t Nazis and the good guys. They are ignorant about the difference between antisemitism and racism.
They will of course remember Auschwitz performatively, and invoke it as a political tool whenever convenient.
People Love Dead Jews because they don’t speak up, aren’t annoying, can be used to virtue signal, and as political tool.
A great quote by Israeli psychoanalyst Zvi Rex fits here as.
Germans will never forgive the Jews for the Holocaust.
Antisemitism is when Jews are attacked for being Jews.
It can happen and happens outside of the holocaust and should be taken seriously.
There is the misunderstanding you said and also some Germans famously know as anti-Deutsche or antigermans that are of the opinion that any criticism of the actions of the Israeli government is antisemitism because it is a Jewish ethnostate. They also sometimes/often think that the Germans are antisemitic by their existence and bloodline
See, just as I said. You draw the line at attacks. Would you define racism as being attacks against racialized people? Antisemitism starts with the rumor about the Jews. That’s what legitimizes the marginalization and violence.
This is the difference how leftists typically deal with accusations of bigotry:
Black person: „That’s racist!“
Leftist: „Of course your lived experience matters!“
Jewish person: „That’s antisemitic!“
Leftist: „ANTIZIONISM ISNT ANTISEMITISM! SHUT UP ZIONAZI! DEATH TO ISRAHELL!“
antigermans that are of the opinion that any criticism of the actions of the Israeli government is antisemitism because it is a Jewish ethnostate
That’s often repeated but incorrect. Criticism is fine. Israelis, Zionists, and antigermans criticize Israel all the time.
It crosses the line when demanding Israel‘s violent destruction and with it the death of millions of Jews for example.
Holding Israel to a different standard than all other countries can be an expression of antisemitism as well. Denying only the Jewish people the right to self determination is common for example.
Repeating antisemitic conspiracy theories and tropes doesn’t stop being antisemitic, if the word Jews are swapped for Zionists. That’s what neo-Nazis have been doing for decades. Today the anti Israel left uncritically uses the exact same phrases and terms they have established.
Holocaust inversion has also become disturbingly widespread.
I meant verbal attacks as well, any prejudice based on their Jewishness is also antisemitism.
If antizionism is antisemitism depends completely on the argument at hand.
If someone says that Zionists want control over the whole world and the money that is antisemitic.
If someone rightfully condemns the genocide and attacks done by the IDF or the state of Israel that isn’t antisemitism.
The violent expansion of the state Israel is just as bad as any other country doing the same. No country has the right to genocide or violently take or colonize another region
Idk if you are commenting in bad faith but there’s a long history in the west (I can only speak to America specifically) of falsely using antisemitism as a shield for any criticism of Jewish culture or Israel’ actions
So your analogy of people accepting a black person saying something is racist but not accepting the same statement from a Jew is totally glossing over the actual history of what’s gone on in the west at the hands of ecoterrorist orgs like the ADL using this as an excuse to manipulate control and shape the narrative surrounding modern Israel
The reason people in 2026 don’t really just bend the knee the instant the word “antisemitism” is used is because the word has been so overused that it lost all sense of meaning colloquially (similar to how liberals have used the term “Nazi” so often that people are proudly blasting HH by Ye and find it funny)
Either you don’t know the history of Jews in America or you do know and you are doing exactly what I’m describing which is falsely using antisemitism as a shield to protect Israel or Jews from valid criticism
Me, playing “Lemmy or 4chan” the last few days
