• frongt@lemmy.zip
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    The propaganda is effective, people are stupid, and education is intentionally poor to keep it that way.

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      This is such a stupid take. 🤣

      Like there’s a shadowy cabal of hooded billionaires saying “the people have started to vote for Bernie Sanders - we must lobby to reduce education spending so that in 15-20 years people will make worse decisions” <evil laughter ensues>

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        That is such a stupid take.

        Like there’s not a possibility for imperialistic capitalist democracies to develop an autopoietic culture/spectacle for producing the exact same effect as you describe, distributed and self perpetuating, without any sort of need for shadowy cabals. Like the selfish greed of hundreds/thousands of billionaires enabled by a leaky political system don’t add up to the same shit, just more powerful and less conspiratorial.

        I wish there was a shadowy guy in the background. That would make it pretty easy to point my finger and say, “hey, THATS HIM!!!” But unfortunately, that’s not the case.

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          It’s not one shadowy guy in the background. It’s Stephen Miller, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, Roger Ailes, and Rupert Murdoch, literally standing right next to Donald Trump.

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          Like there’s not a possibility for imperialistic capitalist democracies to develop a culture/spectacle for producing the exact same effect as you describe, distributed and self perpetuating, without any sort of need for shadowy cabals.

          There doesn’t seem to be any sign of it. It would strongly help your point if people weren’t on average much better educated than at any time in our history.

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            There doesn’t seem to be any sign of it.

            I can come back with DOIs if you’d like to read up on the topic.

            It would strongly help your point if people weren’t on average much better educated than at any time in our history.

            Hardly. They can both be true.

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              The “People today are dumber than ever” is such an old tired trope. Every generation has said the same thing. Kids these days are stupider than we were, people today are just less educated, blah blah blah.

              If it were true then the entirety of humanity by now would be unable to function.

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                I didn’t even entertain that argument, so I’m not sure why it would be relevant. Education being better today hardly matters for what I said.

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                    No it wasn’t.

                    This is such a stupid take. 🤣

                    Like there’s a shadowy cabal of hooded billionaires saying “the people have started to vote for Bernie Sanders - we must lobby to reduce education spending so that in 15-20 years people will make worse decisions” <evil laughter ensues>

                    Our conversation began with your implication that a shadowy cabal is necessary for…

                    The propaganda is effective, people are stupid, and education is intentionally poor to keep it that way.

                    …propaganda to be effective, people to be stupid, and education to be intentionally poor. Or rather, “to keep it that way.”

                    With “it” defined by:

                    No functioning democracy allows their representatives to sit for twelve terms.

                    Yet, propaganda is effective. Lots of people are susceptible to cheap lies, or “stupid” as the orginal comment put it. The education system doesnt contend that fact. Do you think that’s explained by nobody having ever thought about how we could improve the education system, but always coming up short on this mark?

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        That’s something a hooded billionaire in a shadowy cabal would say 🤔

        But no, the degradation of the american education system began decades before Bernie ever ran for president. The damage has already been done.