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Trump is evil shit, but he’s no Stalin. He’s a self-interested cunt with dementia and no regard for consequences aside from how he’s directly affected in the short term. Put someone like that in charge, well… play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

That’s part of the problem. The public can rally against a figure like Hitler, easy. It’s harder for the public to comprehend that a fucking moron can be just as evil via the unmoderated stream of their brainrot into public policy. Even harder for some to consider that their brainrot savior is a puppet for smarter, richer people.

No it wasn’t.

This is such a stupid take. 🤣

Like there’s a shadowy cabal of hooded billionaires saying “the people have started to vote for Bernie Sanders - we must lobby to reduce education spending so that in 15-20 years people will make worse decisions” <evil laughter ensues>

Our conversation began with your implication that a shadowy cabal is necessary for…

The propaganda is effective, people are stupid, and education is intentionally poor to keep it that way.

…propaganda to be effective, people to be stupid, and education to be intentionally poor. Or rather, “to keep it that way.”

With “it” defined by:

No functioning democracy allows their representatives to sit for twelve terms.

Yet, propaganda is effective. Lots of people are susceptible to cheap lies, or “stupid” as the orginal comment put it. The education system doesnt contend that fact. Do you think that’s explained by nobody having ever thought about how we could improve the education system, but always coming up short on this mark?

I didn’t even entertain that argument, so I’m not sure why it would be relevant. Education being better today hardly matters for what I said.

There doesn’t seem to be any sign of it.

I can come back with DOIs if you’d like to read up on the topic.

It would strongly help your point if people weren’t on average much better educated than at any time in our history.

Hardly. They can both be true.

That is such a stupid take.

Like there’s not a possibility for imperialistic capitalist democracies to develop an autopoietic culture/spectacle for producing the exact same effect as you describe, distributed and self perpetuating, without any sort of need for shadowy cabals. Like the selfish greed of hundreds/thousands of billionaires enabled by a leaky political system don’t add up to the same shit, just more powerful and less conspiratorial.

I wish there was a shadowy guy in the background. That would make it pretty easy to point my finger and say, “hey, THATS HIM!!!” But unfortunately, that’s not the case.

Software engineers use AI. Software engineers make software. Software runs all the shit. Generative AI has definitely lead to a revolution, regardless of how we feel about it. It’s not revolutionary like the internet was, nor like the steam press, nor like toast, but… maybe it’s revolutionary like … I don’t know … browsers in phones?

Not to mention AI is helping us understand how consciousness works better. Not because it actually resembles consciousness, but because it doesn’t while many people thought it would. This realization helps us develop our language and understanding better… now we distinguish between different kinds of intelligence more, and certainly understand better that you can have intelligence without consciousness. That’s a philosophical revolution.

Honestly, the technology is cool. The clout around it is ass. How the technology is being used is ass. What behaviors the technology is incentivizing is ass. But as a matter of fact, that it’s possible at all to exploit natural redundancy in language to the point of producing generative machines — that by itself is quite cool.

Every thing matters. If it were not mattering, how could it be a thing?

If you rub out the serial number, I wonder if that would void the “valid for all US debt” designation on the bill… I mean, yeah the bill is damaged but it’s not like you can’t use damaged bills. I wonder how the legal argument would work here.

However, I think they could redesign the next years bill to print serials much larger / several times / encoded some other way. They could probably do it so that there will always be a readable serial, unless you completely destroy the bill.

Yeah, I think this is normal. You can probably say the exact same sentence for any year to have occurred in the last several hundred years. Probably all the way back to whenever we transitioned to specialization for production scaling. You know, when someone figured out you can make more clocks per day if you have a nut producer, a spring producer, a frame producer, …

In any case, I think we’re on the same page about a few things.

You can’t help someone that doesn’t want to be helped. What I do know, is that prison is keeping him out of civilised society. Where he belongs.

Agreed, and I would just point out that we can do a lot more while they’re kept away from civil society. Personally, I appreciate the difference between what prisons are and what I think reform should look like (warning, I may be biased about this [lol]). I’d rather a prison system involve many more mental health professionals, like 2 for every corrections officer. To me, that’s what reform could look like but it doesn’t necessarily have to be that. My intuition just tells me, ask modern psychologists how to make human work better, they specialize in human psychology.

When you try to answer what a person is, you always get a background story. They’re always in a phase of being relative to what they were in the past. So, I think we’re should dilute that experience with some therapy. If they want to sit and pout all day, aka “don’t want help,” so be it. The therapist can be paid via tax dollars, keep her notes and make a recommendation to the judge after time served.

And I get that this is a made up solution… I’m not here suggesting this is what Korea should have done. I’m just pointing out my perspective on why the current practice is wrong. Hopefully one day that will improve.

I would want to create a more dynamical system of government… something that complements the way humans actually work. Something that changes and adapts as a first-class feature, but using levers derived from society. It would take air away from political theater, give it instead to real people who have real concerns.

I’d want something that’s so flexible, safe, perfect… people look back to us arguing about “communism” and “socialism” and they should think we’re a bunch of stupid barbarians for getting stuck here.

What if propaganda is the exploit of a natural, even beneficial, human process? Belief, trust, faith… we all have to do this. Propaganda just changes the frame around the picture… but there was already a frame there. Compared side by side, both are just frames… Remove the frame, there might not be anything left over.

Rome had hundreds of years to fall. What about this is slow?

Actually I did. You must have missed it, being too busy trying to convince yourself that you’re right.

Yeah, actually. I don’t believe in essences. Under my personal philosophy, we humans are more like information perturbation machines with extreme sensitivity to initial conditions. It’s close to saying you aren’t anything except the uniquely weighted combination of all your prior experiences, having been processed through the human scope of awareness and memory (if distinguishing the two is even fair here).

That said, nobody is nothing except “just a giant asshole.” I mean that physically, you can’t. You’re stuck in a constant state of becoming something, not being something, which is a necessary consequence of having your human awareness.

“Deep down” refers to a fundamental nature of what humans are. If you want to debate my perspective, go for it. To claim I never gave a perspective is just doing the same thing you’ve been doing this whole time — talking shit.

• I never proposed a strawman argument. My point about concentration camps were validly pointing out that your logic isn’t generalizable. In effect, you contradict yourself on the merit of what sounds correct.
• I also provided a procedural explanation for “deep down.” You then contort that into a baseless categorical statement about how some people are “monsters” deep down, completely missing my argument.
• You pretend that I’m contradicting myself with your false equivalency between my statements of “always becoming something” and “can’t change what you are deep down.” If you actually tried to understand, you’d see that my points were compatible. They actually complement one another.

I can go on, but it is oh so exhausting. Thanks for wishing me luck.

Brother, you completely take what I say out of context. You redefine what I mean by “deep down,” you suggest that Im proposing strawman arguments while doing exactly that yourself, … this is exhausting. Our conversation isn’t productive and I’m done trying. Have a good day.

I not once suggested the prison was similar to a concentration camp in content. That’s the strawman argument. I suggested your justification wasn’t justifiable, and offered a clear example as to how. What something is built for hardly has any capacity to say whether it’s the right choice or not.

It’s sounds like a beautiful philosophy you have. But it’s just not applicable to how the world looks like.

I beg to differ. My philosophy is about what we are deep down. You can’t escape what you are deep down. To me, it looks like the world reflects my philosophy a lot more fundamentally than any other claim I’ve seen here.

Yeah well he is in a constant state of becoming an even bigger asshole.

Yeah and if you think prison resolves that, you’re doing a lot of wishful thinking.

Is this a new threat to blow up the country, after his last threat to do so where he claimed to have gotten a ceasefire (which Israel breached on Lebanon less than 24 hours later)?

You seem to be under the impression that he’s anything other than just a giant asshole.

Yeah, actually. I don’t believe in essences. Under my personal philosophy, we humans are more like information perturbation machines with extreme sensitivity to initial conditions. It’s close to saying you aren’t anything except the uniquely weighted combination of all your prior experiences, having been processed through the human scope of awareness and memory (if distinguishing the two is even fair here).

That said, nobody is nothing except “just a giant asshole.” I mean that physically, you can’t. You’re stuck in a constant state of becoming something, not being something, which is a necessary consequence of having your human awareness.

The boys deviance from our expectations has to do with his upbringing. We should be able to use specialist services to counterweight that upbringing. And I’d go as far to say, we really should be taking this approach to punishment. Because our current version of just hiding them away in an isolated brick room where nobody except similar deviants and Correction Officers can reach them… that in particular is a rather barbaric approach, in my opinion.

I think prison is exactly the place that was constructed just for cases like his. Maybe this time he will learn.

And what about being “constructed just for cases like this” means it was the right approach? The concentration camps in the holocaust were also constructed for purpose, yet I hope you wouldn’t use the same argument for those.

Instead of prison where we know people commonly experience rape, abuse, neglect, and forced labor — imagine he was forced to live in some new branch of punitive enforcement that sits between prison and mental asylum. A place where he’s forced to sit with counselors, therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists… imagine he’s treated with dignity as a human, like something is clearly wrong with him, and like we can actually help solve that problem directly for him. He could be sentenced to this place for something like “at most 2 years, unless the authority believes he’s ready earlier.” It’s like a conversion camp, but to help immoral people understand why they might want to act morally within society. Wouldn’t that be a little more ideal than something like prison?

Edit: could even follow-up release with required training for personal finance, hospitality, and the like… to include community service hours and required check-in with a probation officer that works with mental health professionals.