How come Linux worked on desktop but on phones it is having such a hard time even tho Android has the linux kernel( i think).
Is PC hardware more open and known to everyone about everything while mobile dosent? And if that is the case then why arent phone opening itself for support?
so, Linux does work, a lot of stuff works. There is nothing fundamentally different about phones other than them basically all running on ARM instead of x86, which is more common for PCs. More development of stuff for X86 Linux than ARM Linux, although less of a difference than there use to be.
Really the issue is proprietary stuff built on top of android and IOS. Stuff that a lot of useful apps rely on for security and functionality. For instance banking apps are super locked down for obvious reasons, but the standards that have been adopted by the industry for mobile banking are all entangled with proprietary close source stuff.
@razen@viov The “mobile computing” was organized probably by some really dark circles of the big USA eavesdropping/world police line. It was not at all about that you have a linux (osx) on your phone. IT WAS ABOUT REPLACING THE FREE PC WORLD BY A CONTROLLED SLAVE ONE. We sucked it.
That’s really sad, so basically until and unless companies make open drivers there is nothing we as a consumer can do tbh. I dont really think Qualcomm or MediiaTek will ever do that. And cellular things like 4g and 5g are the least one to be open ever.
How come Linux worked on desktop but on phones it is having such a hard time even tho Android has the linux kernel( i think).
Is PC hardware more open and known to everyone about everything while mobile dosent? And if that is the case then why arent phone opening itself for support?
Because ARM is a fucking mess. Each device has it’s own way of booting. There’s no standard like UEFI or BIOS.
Plus you need propreitary code for modem to support 2G, 3G, 4G…etc. which are complicated to implement.
so, Linux does work, a lot of stuff works. There is nothing fundamentally different about phones other than them basically all running on ARM instead of x86, which is more common for PCs. More development of stuff for X86 Linux than ARM Linux, although less of a difference than there use to be.
Really the issue is proprietary stuff built on top of android and IOS. Stuff that a lot of useful apps rely on for security and functionality. For instance banking apps are super locked down for obvious reasons, but the standards that have been adopted by the industry for mobile banking are all entangled with proprietary close source stuff.
@razen @viov The “mobile computing” was organized probably by some really dark circles of the big USA eavesdropping/world police line. It was not at all about that you have a linux (osx) on your phone. IT WAS ABOUT REPLACING THE FREE PC WORLD BY A CONTROLLED SLAVE ONE. We sucked it.
That’s really sad, so basically until and unless companies make open drivers there is nothing we as a consumer can do tbh. I dont really think Qualcomm or MediiaTek will ever do that. And cellular things like 4g and 5g are the least one to be open ever.