So, OS-level age-gating is going federal, which will effectively kill your rights to device ownership and what’s left of free speech and expression.
Enjoy your free speech while you still have it because this is a clear attempt to erase that right.
SOPA never died, it just went into hiding until time to reemerge, and now’s that time, this is basically SOPA in a save the kids trenchcoat.
If they wanna start a hot revolution it is coming.
Goodbye device ownership, and the last vestiges of free speech will die with this bill as well.
The last vestiges of free speech always have and always will be offline.
That bill had just been introduced. It is a loooooong way from passing. No need to panic. This is not our doom yet.
Now is the time to give those representatives a call, mention the bill number, and tell them in a few logical and polite sentenses why this bill is a terrible idea.
Fuck this bill. And it’s not going to be too late to use the less polite methods later. We lose nothing by trying to be polite first.
Motherfuckers want this so they can more easily find kiddies to groom and rape.
Start selling the narrative folks, this is not gonna be a clean war
Fair.
Parents ALREADY decided. They decided they didn’t give enough of a shit to use the parental controls already available to them. No legitimate reason to push this shit on everyone else.
These companies made parental controls abysmal to use, so they can count children’s traffic as adult viewers for ad revenue(on both sides of the bill).
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This bill is being pushed by Meta and they are NOT going to stop with age verification. It is not about “protecting children” and it never has been. It’s always been about surveillance and control. Meta wants to know who you are, where you are, what you buy, what you download, who you associate with and what your politics are.
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If Meta succeeds in putting all this on your computer at the operating system level, then what is the point of even having a VPN anymore? Also Meta will sell this information to anyone who asks for it.
If Meta succeeds in putting all this on your computer at the operating system level, then what is the point of even having a VPN anymore? Also Meta will sell this information to anyone who asks for it.
I think this is not an accident.
Meta is pushing this because their platforms are overrun by bots. Ironically because partly of the AI tools they have created. And advertisers have caught up and aren’t willing to pay top dollars anymore on Meta’s platforms. Hence why Meta desperately wants a way to proof that their traffic comes from real people.
Meta management are evil but kind of clueless. I would guess the usual suspects including Palantir are whispering in their ears.
They also benefit from it as it impacts OS providers like Apple and Google. These companies need to contend with privacy flaws and supporting them on their devices, spending resources on that, while Meta just uses the OS API to “verify” user age pretending they care about children. Profit.
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They can’t even arrest the pedophiles in government but they want to mass surveil us for everything.
The rules have always been for us, not for them.
The police are enforcers for the elites, they don’t stop crime, they extract fines from people and provide a deterrent to anyone standing up for themselves.
I know but we outnumber them a million to one so we don’t actually have to put up with this
With what organization? The left is too busy with shit like tone policing for any cohesive narrative to take root.
Turns out when your brain is filled with no-no words that effectively act as thought terminating cliches you end up being unable to effectively communicate with people you disagree with. Crazy how the far right simply does not have this problem, no? Granted they aren’t really for ‘discussion’ or ‘debate’ or ‘deliberation’ in the same way leftists are, and their thought terminating cliches are much worse; climate change being one of the big ones.
US left is way too disorganized, but this isn’t because of “”“tone policing”“” (no you cannot say slurs) or debating the specifics of ideals (of course the right doesn’t do this, they have no ideals, don’t copy the child rapists).
It’s because of, among other things, a decades-long operation to systemically crack communities, down to there being basically no infrastructure to even meet up at except the library or church, and also to keep everyone so exhausted and distracted they don’t bother trying.
Solving problem #1 is harder but problem #2 involves communicating with people locally who you can actually work with (marginalized groups aren’t going to work with violent bigots, if this annoys you, talk to the bigots yourself) and joining local orgs to meet needs – rent/utilities assistance, building community toolboxes and fridges, generally moving people away from “barely surviving” so they can actually develop an interest in leftist ideals
There is absolutely hyper-fixation on identity politics over material conditions. This has been an intentional project to move the realm of political discourse and conflict to the immaterial.
Yes, not being a bigoted asshole matters, but also it’s a wedge issue that absolutely moves otherwise poor, oppressed people away from solidarity. I don’t know how you bridge the problem, but as long as those people are on the other side, that’s a problem, and you ignore it at your peril.
Yeah I have no issue with not saying slurs (and saying I can’t say slurs is fucking dumb, I choose not to because I understand why I shouldn’t — not because trogs on their high horses tell me no), my problem is that you took the phrase ‘shit like tone policing’ and immediately assumed this must be the singular problem I have with how the left communicates. Thus spurring on an entire comment on why the left doesn’t communicate with the right.
I’m not suggesting the left communicate with the right, at all. I’m suggesting the left needs to learn how to communicate amongst itself because things like no no words end up functioning as thought terminating cliches — see your entire comment for reference.
I understand what you’re saying, but this is an issue that mostly exists between (don’t like this term much but can’t think of a better one) extremely terminally-online leftists who do not organize.
Going offline, this is generally just not an issue, the orgs filled with people who just argue over theory also don’t do much and shouldn’t be listened to. It’s a large movement and there are bound to be people who are unfortunately less effective.
I didn’t bother discussing how online leftist infighting affects real life, it’s not relevant compared to, say, the much realer issue of left-orgs blowing up because of, say, someone being outed as a sex pest or someone slandering someone they don’t like anymore (which isn’t an issue only relegated to the left, the right does this way more often)
I didn’t bother discussing how online leftist infighting affects real life, it’s not relevant compared to, say, the much realer issue of left-orgs blowing up because of, say, someone being outed as a sex pest or someone slandering someone they don’t like anymore (which isn’t an issue only relegated to the left, the right does this way more often)
Please don’t get me wrong, my motivations were not ‘both sides’ or something along those lines. Maybe not obviously, but it’s clear to me that we both believe the side bringing measles back is the wrong one.
My problem is that these terminally online leftist spaces end up being the narrative sent to (or experienced by) the brainwashed masses on the right. Simply not engaging with an online space is ineffective when trying to combat their manipulation of word of mouth messaging.
I’m not trying to argue for the right to say slurs. Unless they’re directed at conservatives, then I’m conflicted.
That’s because we are dangerous (to the rich’s interests)
Disgusting. This is my representative, I unfortunately voted him in.
Our president is a pedophile and we still get the “for the children” bullshit. How about making a law requiring tracking the data on the Epstein class phones instead?
I sent a letter to him, hopefully enough people do.
Lately, it seems like bottles of incendiary liquid are the vogue medium of communication, rather than sternly-worded letters. I think it’s like toggling that “flag as urgent” setting on an email.
Or a parent could, I don’t know, just parent their own kids instead of expecting the government to.
I got so many downvotes last time I suggested this, it was just comical to me how many people get pissed at the implication that they aren’t watching their kids, while not watching their kids.
I guess you not only read just the post titles, but also just the title of the bill too.
Nope, read the full resolutions text, and also emailed my rep. But thanks anyhow!
And written by a Democrat. They really have become useless. First they regularly forget that they are opposition for a reason, and now they even betray their voters with the most stupid law humans can cook up.
They’re bought and paid for by basically all the big industries just like the GOP.
I don’t think they think they’re an opposition party, and they certainly wouldn’t oppose mass surveillance. They never have.
And written by a Democrat.
They are literally never your ally. A lot of us refuse to accept that we have 2 parties that don’t give one solitary fuck about us because it means we have no say whatsoever in our government, but Democrats prove time and time again that this is the case.
The most we get are a handful of “representatives” that somehow managed to beat AIPAC and all the corporate interests that buy the rest of them, but that handful isn’t enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(
but that handful isn’t enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(
Yes. They’re allowing the planet to boil to avoid briefly inconveniencing idiot billionaires who believe they will science magic their way to Mars to escape.
We don’t need any more evidence that they’re worthless traitors to humanity. =/
If this thread is any indication, we’re cooked. If this many people are willing to give the government the benefit of the doubt, after what we’re dealing with…
This will not be benign, it will seem innocent at first, but we’ll have given up yet another seemingly simple thing that will eventually be used against us.
evidently Palantir wasn’t able to use all available data and a few glaciers to find out who was saying mean things about Important People With Money. This oughta fill in those gaps.
Using parental control is too hard so leave it to the government huh
what a fucking joke
Kids are always the excuse for draconian surveillance/stripping away your freedoms. This has nothing to do with parental controls at all
I’ve seen a lot of people saying how this will be unenforceable and so isn’t something we need to worry about.
Except this could be enforced. Google came out with a proposal a few years ago for a method of validating the a request came from a “trusted” (aka, signed and with secure boot enabled OS), ostensibly to combat bot traffic. They dropped it after push back, but it still provides a blueprint for how this could be enforced.
https://github.com/explainers-by-googlers/Web-Environment-Integrity
If web platforms are mandated by law to enforce something like this then the web could be effectively restricted to only approved operating systems. There could still be a dark web, but with the weight of the law behind it, once anything gained momentum access to it could be shut down at the service provider layer.
This shouldn’t be dismissed as a threat because it’s “unenforceable”, because it is.
To paraphrase someone:
You need to win every time. I need you to lose only once.
Anyone thinking that this won’t pass this time, or next year, or the year after that or the year… They will push this as a new thing, wrapping the same bullshit lies in a new paper each time…
Eventually it’ll pass, it always does. All they need is patience
The only possible cou ter to this is to enshrine the right to own a computer and internet access into your constitution or something like that.
You need to win every time. I need you to lose only once.
We Europeans are well aware because of the Chat Control that they are trying to push here.
We have to be vigilant and fight every fight.
Never give up.
more laws from people who have no idea about anything. let’s say for a sec this isn’t even for mass surveillance (which it is) does verifying your age prevent you from actually being addicted to social medias? it’s the same experience no matter what…this whole thing just shifts onus of social media addiction from big tech companies to us. i implore everyone reading who’s in america to please contact your local representatives.
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative
