Any adult should be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want with their own body.
100%. Everything bad that can happen because youre out your nut is already illegal, and most of the harm from drugs comes from the gang activity thanks to its illegality.
Next to no teenagers are out there stabbing eachother over loaves of bread
Life is a terminal illness and tomorrow is promised to no one.
Based enabler
If I know I’m gonna be dead soon, realistically, who’s gonna stop me?
This reminds me of a former, and actually current coworker. After she gave her notice my previous employer before leaving for my current one, she was freaking out about finishing up a win10 hardening project.
I asked her, “why are you so anxious about it? What are they going to do, fire you?”
What’s stopping you is unavailability of those drugs.
Well, for once, when my grandparents were terminally ill…they did not seem to be able to meet their dealer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i agree! i was terminal, uh, something like twenty years ago we should throw a party. some people get all of the luck. what i mean is, do i still get to cash in?
a famous one in france a lady was suffering a very rare cancer, the govt refused to give her life-ending drugs, so she got some from the streets, barbituates or whatever and just OD on it.
“What you gonna do? Put my dead body in jail?”
What a legend. 🫡
Yeah I snuck in Cigarettes to my grandmother in hospice. She wanted them, asked in between gasps for them. So I did. We wheeled her outside and let her smoke.
After that they didn’t let her back out until she died. I sort of understand but at the same time, what is she holding out for? Its over. They treat dying adults like children and I think that’s wrong.
I think you might be overestimating the capacity to enjoy anything at that point
Exactly why drugs should not be illegal at any time during life, instead of just at the end when some figment of our moral imagination would allow it out of pity.
People in this thread are romanticising end of life as frolicking happily at a party one moment and slipping away in a magical slumber the next.
Most likely you’d be in bed either crying fo pain meds or asleep after having been given pain meds.
I too would, from where i am now love the idea of my consciousness slipping away while tripping on dmt but i recognize that once the time comes i may not desire nor care anymore.
Yes, of course. Most people die from something. I think OP’s point stands though. Enough morphine puts you far away from the pain even if it doesn’t lessen it (I have used it that way for my very rare status migraines before the state disallowed it) and that does provide relief. When I get there, overdose sounds like the best of the set of bad choices available.
There’s also the option that whatever is killing them may take away their awareness to a degree. My grandfather died of lung cancer when my mother was a little girl but according to my older kith and kin he apparently was questionably lucid up until his final birthday where he was present for the day, he passed away a couple days later after slipping back into a comatose state.
I for one would love to try heroine, but I know myself well enough that I am sure I’d get severely addicted and hit rock bottom pretty much immediately. So that’s my deathbed wish.
We are all suffering from a terminal condition, known as life.
So yeah drugs for everyone.
I mean they kinda are. It’s called hospice and it’s when they break open the good shit.
Unfortunately, a lot of people arent.
Due largely to religious bullshit (at least in america), its very very difficult to get death with dignity. My grandma has parkinsons, she wants to go on hospice before it takes her brain, but her doctor is Catholic and decided its against his religion to let her die as she wants to.
Shes trying to find a doctor who will let her, but its very very difficult. Its still considered murder in most of the country, and even most Hospice doctors wont do anything besides not resuscitate. We have to be careful to not call an ambulance for her, because if she goes to a hospital, the doctor is allowed to just ignore her DNR if thats against their religion.
Are real actual medical doctors even allowed to do that based on religion?
Not just allowed, actively pushed to do so.
The doctor she goes to did it, just decided that it was against his religion for her to decide to go on hospice care.
Even if he would allow it, in order for her to get on hospice, her doctor would have to go in front of an ethics committee and argue for her to be allowed to go on hospice. If anyone on the ethics committee objects, she isn’t allowed.
California has a right-to-die law (one of very few states that does). You are allowed to die if your doctor can prove that your disease will kill you in 6 months, that you are coherent (at the time of death, you cant sign anything beforehand for it), if you are capable of taking the suicide pills without assistance.
The doctor has to document that you made two separate distinct verbal requests, 48 hours apart. Has to document that your disease will kill you in 6 months, has to document that you are able to take the pills on your own with no assistance (too weak to die? too bad). The case is automatically reviewed (and they will try to take away the doctors license every time).
And anyone involved is allowed to stop you if they object on any grounds.
Killing yourself is a sin in most versions of Christianity, so its effectively illegal in most of the country, and any doctor that is willing to let you has to really really work to not get their license taken and them thrown in jail.
Hospice is not the same thing as assisted suicide though
They don’t. They base their decision on religion, but they justify it with big medical and sciencey words. But they’ll tell you it’s due to their faith (if they’re so bold).
Check your state law. In some states it is very illegal to ignore a properly filled out DNR, religion or no religion.
Also, hospice is not state assisted suicide. Hospice is comfort care, and it’s not about causing someone to die, it’s about helping someone who is terminal be more comfortable during the time they have left.
Are you not thinking of euthanasia? Hospice is like a care home for people who are dying
The marketing department decided on “assisted suicide” because euthanasia is an icky word. Didn’t you get the memo?
They have distinct meanings. Euthanasia = someone else pushes the button. Assisted suicide = you push the button. Assisted suicide is legal in 12 states. Euthanasia is legal in 0.
So you grandma is catholic.
Let’s be clear here.
And yes, killing someone is very problematic. I admit I don’t have the answer.
Let’s not act like this is that simple.
So you grandma is catholic.
No, her doctor is, my grandma is Atheist
Let’s be clear here.
Its pretty fucking clear
And yes, killing someone is very problematic. I admit I don’t have the answer.
I do, let people die when they want to.
Let’s not act like this is that simple.
It really is
YSK hospice basically means they starve you to death but they keep you high so you don’t care. They do not feed you, they sit you in a chair and hook you up to the drugs. Maybe that’s a better way to go than going without the drugs, but that’s pretty much what they do. Maybe some of them overdose you, I’m not really sure. It’s state assisted suicide. And it’s not quick. If it’s what people want I’m not saying to take away their choice and I’m not saying it’s an easy choice, but I wouldn’t romanticise hospice. If nothing else, look into exactly what they do and don’t do. It may vary from place to place. If you have something really bad like, say, cancer and chemo isn’t helping, and the cancer will take you before the starvation… it can be the better option. I am not familiar with Parkinson’s and I’m certainly not judging your family!
Hospice is comfort care. It’s letting the person die naturally while doping them up on pain meds so they aren’t as miserable. It’s not state assisted suicide (that’s something else), it’s about not giving additional interventions to someone who is terminal anyway and helping them be as comfortable as possible with the time they have left. If the person is able to eat they can eat, and if they can’t eat on their own that’s an additional conversation between the patient and the family and their healthcare team. Normally they would not be tube fed, but sometimes people aren’t comfortable with that and then that’s additional conversations of what needs to be done. You don’t just go on hospice and instantly get starved, people are on hospice for weeks to months, that physically couldn’t happen if they are starving everyone.
Treatment depends on condition, they don’t just starve everyone to death.
But if someone is unable to eat, they will inevitably starve.
My wife died of breast cancer moving to her brain last October. They did NOT break out the good stuff. They supplied the weakest painkillers and measured them every visit so they knew if I was over dosing her or stealing some. And from her reaction I dont think the stuff was strong enough.
All Drugs should be Legalized.
For adults
Obvious, isn’t it?
And turtles
any drugs they want.
How about any drugs they can afford, because that is sort of what we have now (speaking for the US).
How about any drugs they can afford, because that is sort of what we [don’t] have now
FTFY
Ok I have an idea. I’m all for giving people the option of assisted suicide, but it’s just way too medical and boring! I want something with pizazz!
I have a better idea. The US government has been dying to get back into nuclear testing. I say, let’s kill two birds with one atomic bomb! We designate a site out in the Nevada desert somewhere. Then, once a year, anyone who qualifies for assisted suicide gathers there. You have all the regular safeguards existing assisted suicide processes have. Everyone there first says goodbye to their families. Then they walk through the gate, present their ticket, and take a bus to ground zero.
They arrive at dawn. Through the day they have access to every illegal drug one can imagine. Finally at the end of the day, at sundown, a great countdown is held. As the last light of their last day winks out, a second sunrise blooms across the desert. And everyone present goes out in the most epic way imaginable - high out of their minds and instantly vaporized under the light of a thousand suns.
Forget doing this in a hospital or hospice and being given some nasty poison to drink. I want to go out at ground zero of a nuclear explosion! Just put me close enough to the center so I actually get vaporized, not one of those unlucky ones that just gets their skin burned off and has to die painfully over several hours or days.
We’ll call it … burning… man ?
Cute. But my inner engineer and scientist needs to point out that at these temperatures, “burning” doesn’t really apply. At these heat fluxes, you don’t so much combust as simply stop being chemistry and start being physics.
That’s the appeal of it. It’s literally the most painless way possible to go out. Your brain has been turned to plasma before pain signals even have a chance to reach it.
People
with terminal illnesses/in their last daysshould be allowed to have any drugs they want.Hospice has the good shit
