• Sarah@lemmy.world
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    12 days ago

    Sounds ok except for living in Russia.

    Edward Snowden is a permanent resident and naturalized citizen of Russia, living in Moscow with his wife and two sons. Granted citizenship by President Vladimir Putin in 2022, he remains in exile to avoid prosecution in the US under the Espionage Act. Snowden continues to criticize Russian policy while working in IT and presiding over the Freedom of the Press Foundation

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      12 days ago

      Snowden continues to criticize Russian policy

      I’m totally showing my ignorance here but I’m surprised they let him do that

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      12 days ago

      That’s what happens when the US waits to cancel your passport until you are stuck in the transit hub of a Russian airport waiting for your next flight out of the country.

      iIRC it took like 12 months until Russia granted Snowden asylum and he could leave the airport hub.

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          Which itself is based on the true story of Mehran Karimi Nasseri who lived in Terminal 1 of Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport, France, from 1988 to 2006.

          It is uncommon, but passports being invalidated during travel does happen.

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            Wikipedia says this guy was mostly responsible for what happened to him. He allegedly lost his passport, and refused any help from France and Belgium.

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              Wikipedia says this guy was mostly responsible for what happened to him. He allegedly lost his passport, and refused any help from France and Belgium.

              No idea what the fuck you’re reading, because the Wikipedia page doesn’t seem to say any of that…

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden

              Belgium isn’t even mentioned on the Wikipedia page. And France is mentioned specifically from an interview in 2019 where Snowden said he had requested asylum in 2013, but it was denied under President Hollande. A second request later was received favorably by Justice Minister Nicole Belloubet under President Macron, but no other members of the French government expressed support. That’s not at all refusing help from either of them. In fact there are multiple sections in there about his asylum requests to dozens of countries.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#Flight_from_the_United_States

              In fact, the Wikipedia page goes pretty in depth about his intended travel out of Hong Kong. The US revoked his passport, it wasn’t lost.

              His plans upon leaving Hong Kong never had anything to do with US allies, it very specifically avoided them because of US leverage.

              So where, on Wikipedia, are you reading the exact opposite of what the Wikipedia page says?

              • fartographer@lemmy.world
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                12 days ago

                Little aggressive, but in your defense, pronouns with limited context can be difficult sometimes.

                Unless this is supposed to be a shit post, in which case, bravo.

  • CovfefeKills@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    Celebrating the singular person most responsible for Trump initially taking power is always weird to see because it is usually by people who you’d presume are Anti-Trump-Putin-Netanyah. I guess if you don’t read further into it other than “he leaked us gubberment secrets cool” he is a cool guy.

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          No, none of that is correct. He exposed the government metadata collection program to the Gaurdian, then the Obama administration revoked his passport while he was changing flights in Russia and he was forced to seek asylum there. There’s no evidence that he gave the Russians any classified materials, and he’s long maintained that the only materials took were shared wirh the Gaurdian.

          In fact, your own Wikipedia article that you just shared mentions Snowden exactly once, in a footnote, and it links to an article in which Snowden criticizes Wikileaks for being careless in how it handled the DNC email leaks. The idea that Snowden helped Russia hack the 2016 election is ahistorical nonsense based on recycled intelligence community lies that were adopted by liberals who don’t know the difference between Snowden and Assange.

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            Ooo great bullshit but I never said anything about hacked I said influence and power then linked to an article about russia’s influence and power.

            If you have to make shit up to engage just fuck off seriously what is the point?

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              You said Snowden, “gave the NSA’s tools of influence and power over the internet to Russia.” This did not happen. There is no evidence he shared anything with the Russian government, he has long denied that he gave the Russian government any of the materials he took with him, and the only people who suggested otherwise are security agency hacks who tried to smear him in 2014. You’re treating old, unsubstantiated accusations of Snowden passing materials to Russia as proof that he materially helped them influence the 2016 election. It’s absolute nonsense.

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                  You’ll clearly believe anything, even if you don’t understand it. Explain what you think Snowden did that materially help the Russians? How did a metadata collection program help hack John Podesta’s emails? Or build Russian troll farms? Share one intelligence source that you think made a credible case that Snowden shared information with the Russians.

                  The entirety of your belief that Snowden helped Russia influence the 2016 election is based on the members of the Senate Intelligence Committee saying, “maybe he shared Intelligence with the Russians, we don’t know,” in 2014. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.