They’re charging but they’re burning cash by the truck load.

I’m guessing they’d need to charge north of $1000/month to get in the black.

I mean, prohibition of firearms works fairly well.

Same. Just waiting on a native Linux version.

Literally not a single lick of usability improved from glass theme. Lots of elements worse. I support a handful of relatives and none of them like the change and still find the theme confusing.

That’s not quite my understanding of EEE.

• Embrace - adopt something that someone else has done
• Extend - add proprietary extensions on top of the original, quicker than the original owner can
• Extinguish - Kill the original owner off by moving quicker then either slow down or kill your own support for the product

What the AI model owners are doing seems to me just to be normal loss-leading with a view to gain market share.

They are currently selling it at a huge loss, agreed. They’ve got plenty of runway for specialised hardware prices to come down, for companies to get hooked and plugged into the ecosystem and for real value to be demonstrated.

When this happens they’ll raise prices and companies will gladly pay it.

Profit at this point is not relevant, seen from the perspective of investors.

Again, this discussion is about the EU proposal, which explicitly does not connect your ID to everything you do. In facts it’s designed exactly to ensure that sites can verify you being over a threshold age without having any other knowledge about you. Have you read the EU implementation or are you conflating it with the US proposal?

I’ll talk to my researcher.

A good watch, like a Citizen Exceed or a Casio G-Shock Square. Price/performance out of this world and will last you a lifetime.

No that isn’t why.

There is no correlation between population density and broadband speed in the west.

I don’t have to give up any rights for age gating to work anonymously and properly. Neither do you.

Ok, so it’s the slippery slope fallacy.

But that slippery slope, which it sounds like you believe us to be on, also applies to phone location tracking, credit cards payments, mobile phone train tickets, smart homes, smart cars, home CCTV etc etc.

Do you leave your phone at home, always pay with cash, don’t use any apps? Most people do these things on the basis that the government doesn’t wantonly have access to what we’ve bought online. Why is age gating so different?

I’m sorry, but have you read the technical documentation? The design is intentional created this way to avoid tracking.

You are issued a set of ZKP tokens that you hand back to websites. They cannot correlate these tokens back to you, nor can the operator of the system.

Now they could lie, of course, and violate the design (but being open source that’s a little harder), but if the government wanted to secretly track you, much more precise tools exist for this already.

I largely agree with you.

But please can you tell me how you believe this differs from age-gating the purchase of cigarettes, lottery tickets, age restricted cinema tickets, alcohol, firearms and so many other things we already have age-gating on?

Edit: I’d love any one of the downvoters to comment and actually explain what I’ve said that’s so atrocious? We DO age gate many things in society and many, I dare say most, would not want cigarettes to be available to a 13 year old. So what is it about online that makes it so different? If we CAN make age checks online anonymous (and indeed the EU standard downright requires it) why don’t we want this online?

Anthropic right now are the good people.

That probably won’t last. But out of a bad bunch they’re the least bad.