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https://www.gadgetreview.com/federal-surveillance-tech-becomes-mandatory-in-new-cars-by-2027
Can we post the original sources and not middle men?
Open source hardware needs to be built up more. To do that we need more new people active in that to get different things done. Including vehicles
Be the change you want to see.
Also, loop me in. I have almost no free time at the moment but I’m building up a list of FOSS projects to work on when I retire.
True, alright I got to see how to help build that up. We all got this!!
Know any good online/in-person open source hardware, software, and Linux groups I can join that are established for other things? Need to learn and do as much as I can to make it happen
The used car market looks mighty good right about now.
as someone who has dealt with over 20 years of pulling victims, alive and dead, from crashes caused by drunks (am firefighter not terrible driver…) I can say this won’t help shit. Just give more data (profit) to corporations and be used in rights violating ways.
Nothing is perfect, but the GSR2 for example has undoubtedly saved many lives. The problem isn’t with the technology, but that you don’t have any real privacy laws in the US.
Like the EU is any better. Last I checked, France is passing the same kind of bullshit over and over, too.
Why do you think this will not help?
because drunks find a way to make trouble. they’ll get around the tech glitches in the imperfect deployments. they’ll be alert enough to trick it. etc. they’ll drink while driving and the system won’t see that and the impairment won’t be recognized till its too late. (i’m focused on system concerns because I am also a software engineer and know the realities of large scale tech like this.)
to counter the tech I think the punishments for impaired driving (including cell phone use) should be harsh and without kindness, if you cause another person harm. Federally. With no return of your privileges once convicted.
While I am very much anti-government, if I am not going to be allowed to “follow up” with someone who drank and ran over a family member, etc… then we might as well push the lawmakers to do their jobs with the laws we already have. Not make new ones that are clearly there to profit tech and not save lives.
Drivers in tatters.
I’ll just walk outside where there’s no surveillance.
Imagine this is what encourages people to ramp up public transit construction nationwide. Along with the Strait of Hormuz blockade.
Looking forward to all the good that will come from people refusing this stuff
LMAO
Is this just in America? Or worldwide?
Mostly the US. But if it ships to the US market from overseas, expect it there too.
So I’ll have reduced millage/charge and extra weight for carrying around this surveillance technology for the government and whose sole benefit will be the government?
Will I be compensated for this burden? No?
Would I be penalized for removing it from my car on my own?
What happens if it “breaks”? Will I be expected to fork over my own money to repair/replace the government’s surveilance device? Logically speaking, burdening the car’s operating with a regulatory requirement like this could constitute a taking. Then again, it could be a logical extension of Congress’s taxing and spending power, but it probably isn’t without a strict mandate from Congress to have those devices.
They will really do anything before investing in public transit
Automobile-centric infrastructure was such a colossal societal fuck-up.
Bad for personal health, physical safety, household finances, and the environment. Automobiles are not a symbol of freedom, they are a symbol of dependence.
While I agree about automobile centric structure, when rural living automobiles are absolutely the ticket to freedom. It’s a shame more populace areas get designed around maintaining dependence on cars.
I think the point is choice. Even those living in suburban and urban areas have a difficult time opting out of car-dependence.
If you choose to live rural, I would say that automobiles are part and parcel to that decision. It’s just the nature of low population density.
Except there is absolutely no reason it has to be like that in rural areas. Period. At all. Even a little. Look at China (or if you still believe the NED puts out legitimate stories, Denmark or Sweden or Norway) which has public transit to nearly all rural areas at least a couple times a week, and inter-village public transit in pretty much all villages that have more than a dozen people.
Busses are more efficient than independent vehicle ownership in all settings. All of them.
More efficient, sure, but their argument was about freedom, which is just a different dimension. In an extreme example, private jets provide more freedom than public transportation does, even though it’s obvious which one is worse for the environment, more expensive, more intrusive, etc.
Except that’s not freedom.
It is not freedom to have a, and this really isn’t an exaggeration, more than 10,000x personal cost for transportation. It’s freedom for the rich, but the rich aren’t a part of society and cannot be generalized into society.
It is not freedom to have to personally rely on the US to do the right thing.
It is not freedom to take on the massive legal and financial risk that is driving a death machine.
It is only freedom in the most infantile, ‘Anarkiddie’ sense of the word freedom. The ‘Hurr durr we’d all be more free if we had less laws’ kind of idiocracy most humans abandon by the age of 15 when they learn about the concept of government.
Yup, drunkards in a tram are annoying but they almost never kill people and cause tens of thousands in damage.
almost never
thank you for that almost. jackasses like me see words like always and never as challenges and this is not one i want to take
Only drive cars made before Onstar and similar systems were added in the early 90s. They have been tracking you for a long time. But even then you need a license plate, which is constantly collected in most urban areas, stored and sold. It’s really impossible to travel anywhere even if you have no phone giving away your location. Flock and all the surveillance systems also tie into the license plate data. Cars began having cell connections and other ways to broadcast data after the onstar type systems were added. Now it’s a whole other world with the amount of data cars like Tesla can collect. /OldManRant
Another system to allow hackers into your automobile. The federal government could use the biometric data from car for passport photos. On the other hand, I despise drivers under the influence.
Every technology is eventually used against you by the state
It’s so difficult to get excited about new tech anymore.
Big tech is the problem. Indie tech is still cool as shit.
I am driving my 2018 car which doesn’t even have auto stop start until it dies.
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Why is the government over reaching it’s authority.
It isn’t. This is power fully vested in federal agencies by the legislature and endorsed by the courts.
As noted up about, it’s an end run around implementing any kind of public transit, by offloading the external costs of privatized vehicle operation into the consumer.
But you don’t have some kind of inalienable right to a public highway free of state surveillance. That’s never existed.
But you don’t have some kind of inalienable right to a public highway free of state surveillance. That’s never existed.
I’d make the argument that that would violate anything about searches seizures.
If this comes to Canada I’ll be driving an electric scooter or bike.
What about in the winter? 😭
Snowmobile time! (but I do see people cycling in -40c weather)
i mean i’m in california so all i gotta do is dress for rain, but you can kit out a bike for snow pretty easy. snow tires are not hard to make and if you want you can put a ski on the front tire.
A ski would be a nightmare. Ski bikes for downhill slopes are one thing, but self-propelling a bike with a ski would majorly suck. The only reason a bike balances is because of tiny steering inputs to the front wheel. If you aren’t aware of that, it’s because of the geometry of the front fork has been worked out a century ago, so it comes naturally. The greatest proof is the reverse-steering bike experiments. Every time the novice reverse rider starts to fall, they steer the wrong way harder and harder. But then it clicks eventually, their brain reverses, and it works again. The gyroscopic effect resists falling, but it doesn’t stay upright on its own forever.
Back to the point. I’ve skied, I’ve snowboarded. You balance by rocking and steering yourself. While ski bikes do exist for the slopes, all 3 of these take relatively wide paths to stay balanced Ina mild weave. Bikes do it in a much narrower path because they have grip in the tires. Replace that with a constant slide and it gets dicey fast. You lose the ability to balance any time the front washes out. And to see more of that concept, search “lowside crash motorcycle”. The front locks/slides, all balance is lost.
Stick to cleared pathways and at least hard pack snow. Powder is awful to bike through. I’ve done it. No mortal bike tire floats how it’d need to
Canadians hibernate during winter and only wake up for periodic hockey and lebatt refueling, right?
