European leaders say President Donald Trump’s decision to pull thousands of U.S. troops out of Germany came as a surprise but is further proof that they must take care of their own security.
European leaders say President Donald Trump’s decision to pull thousands of U.S. troops out of Germany came as a surprise but is further proof that they must take care of their own security.
Europe has been attempting to negotiate with Putin before Trump ever entered the picture.
And the negotiations between Trump and Putin are just theatrics, nothing more.
Your proposal seems like a reasonable starting point on the face of it. But is unrealistic for several reasons.
The UK and France don’t have the political capital to threaten war on Russia. RN and Reform would likely dramatically surge in popularity.
Also Putin is obsessed with Novorossyia at a minimum and would interpret the threats of entry into the war as a bluff and try and call it.
And there are a lot of boomers still in charge who can’t accept that the Europe-US alliance has become transactional and thus unreliable.
The negotiations between Trump and Putin are not just theatrics. The problem is that Putin is demanding a lot and Trump presently is not willing to go that far.
The war in Ukraine cannot be allowed to continue forever. It is draining the economies of Europe. Europe could be facing the choice of fight now or later. It’s better to fight now while Ukraine is strong. The UK and France gave the Sudetenland to Hitler hoping it would stop his aggression. It didn’t. When Germany invaded Poland, the Uk and France declared war but did nothing. They should have attacked Germany from the west while much of Germany’s forces were in Poland. The result was that Germany later invaded France and despite considered one the world’s most powerful countries, surrendered in 6 weeks.
Yeah, I too have learned about WW2 history.
But you’re unable to divorce hindsight from a contemporary perspective and political reality. Obviously in hindsight the UK and France should have drawn a line in the sand at the annexation of the Sudetenland. But that wasn’t obvious to everyone at the time, and those who did see it didn’t have the political capital to do anything about it. Reality isn’t a game of HOI4.
The question isn’t whether the UK and France should go fight Russia, the question is whether it’s realistic for that to happen.
You’re arguing ideal hypotheticals while ignoring reality.
That’s complete nonsense. It’s draining the economies of exactly 2 countries, Russia and Ukraine. The rest of Europe is only hurting a little bit due to higher energy costs.
History teaches what can happen when countries seek to avoid war against an aggressive country. Both the UK and France ended up at war.
Reality can change depending on the future. Suppose Putin is on the verge of victory.
No, the war is draining the economies of Europe because Europe is supplying Ukraine with weapons. The US is forcing Europe to pay for the weapons it supplies.
Yes it does, but you have to realize that the problem isn’t my knowledge of history and the conclusions I draw from it. The problem is the knowledge of history of the electorate and what conclusions they draw from it. You lecturing me on history I already know is a complete waste of time.
So again engaging in nebulous hypotheticals.
Please go and look at the actual numbers. It’s not draining anything.