• Encrypt-Keeper@lemmy.world
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      28 days ago

      Afaik Denuvo doesn’t stop pirates. It only negatively affects the game for people who paid good money for it.

      If anything, it’s a reason to pirate.

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        28 days ago

        It stops them for a certain time though. For a time long enough to be economically justifiable.

        And, I repeat, piracy is the cause of Denuvo.

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            21 days ago

            Yeah. Now developers will resort to executing all game logic on the servers (like in diablo 3+) or something for that matter.

            And that will be even worse than Denuvo, because it would slowly render old games unsupported and thus unavailable.

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          28 days ago

          It does not. Denuvo is often cracked within hours.

          And, I repeat, piracy is the cause of Denuvo.

          It’s also often the cause of piracy. If your two options are 1. Spend a bunch of money for a worse experience or 2. Spend 0 money for a better experience, there’s no practical reason to choose option 1.

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            28 days ago

            Denuvo is often cracked within hours.

            Very recently - maybe.

            It’s also often the cause of piracy.

            And what was first?

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              28 days ago

              Very recently - maybe.

              No for nearly 10 years now. There was a stint of a year or two where cracks took a little longer, but truth be told that was around when COVID happened and there were just fewer big ticket games for people to put effort into it. Several groups just got out of the game. These days the only thing protecting games from piracy isn’t Denuvo, it’s the lack of interest of scene groups in doing the cracking. Since it’s picked back up though we’re seeing games cracked within hours of release or in some cases prior to release. At most a few days to a week. The days of it taking three months are gone

              And what was first?

              For an increasing number of people, Denuvo. With the hardware crisis and all, people aren’t upgrading hardware as much as they used to. People have to do more with less. Games with Denuvo removed run better on the same hardware, so people who have had no financial interest in pirating have turned to it as a means of making their games run better.

              We’ve seen this all before with streaming. When Netflix got big, tv/movie piracy nearly died out because it was so convenient to pay for streaming.

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                27 days ago

                These days the only thing protecting games from piracy isn’t Denuvo, it’s the lack of interest of scene groups in doing the cracking.

                So Denuvo keeps working then?

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                26 days ago

                There was a stint of a year or two where cracks took a little longer

                I guess I must have entered some utopian parallel universe when I clicked into this thread because I see all these people commenting things like this but I look over to the other sites like crackwatch and cs-rin and literally see that there were 3 legitimate denuvo cracks TOTAL between the between empress’s 2023 crashout and voices38’s public 2026 entry. (Dragon’s Dogma 2 was a debug build leak). Or maybe the excitement of the hypervisor bypass got people hallucinating some revisionist history.

                These days the only thing protecting games from piracy isn’t Denuvo, it’s the lack of interest of scene groups in doing the cracking

                So when RE4 got cracked once in 2023 by empress, no other patches get cracked for the next 3 years, then denuvo gets removed in 2026, and RUNE cracks the latest version on that very same day, it wasn’t because of denuvo, it was because RUNE suddenly gained interest? as a total coincidence or what?

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                  26 days ago

                  It’s like I said, the biggest opposition to game pirating isn’t the protection Denuvo actually provides but just the lack of interest in people doing the cracking.

                  I can see where you’d argue that this means Denuvo is “working” but only in the sense that any old $2 lock you put on your front door is protecting your home from the 0 people attempting to break and enter.

                  Also in the void EMPRESS left in the scene, there have been newcomers, but they’ve started off by cracking older games.

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                    26 days ago

                    And those exact same people suddenly gain an interest as soon as denuvo is removed? Get real man.

                    any old $2 lock you put on your front door is protecting your home from the 0 people attempting to break and enter.

                    “well I wasn’t even trying anyways!” excuse lol