China on Monday criticised European Union plans to shield key industries from Chinese competition, warning it would take countermeasures if the measures are adopted. The EU’s proposed “Made in Europe”…
That’s why I kept asking questions on things you said.
And yet, there’s not a single question in your previous comment, just a lot of weak arguments and claims that I hold positions I specifically stated I do not hold.
You don’t want to actually discuss and understand my position, you want to debate a pro-China strawman. You don’t need me to win an argument in your head. Take care.
"capitalists: competition is so good, it encourages innovation and ensures the best value for consumers!
china: competes
capitalists: 😡😡😡"
Various people here explained to you why this is not “competition”, but skewing competition.
Then you said:
“My point is, if the labor prices are so low, why should western capitalists benefit from them, through outsourcing, rather than us consumers and Chinese companies splitting the difference with cheaper Chinese goods?”
…which sounds(!) like an argument for “hey consumers, why should you not simply benefit from the cheap Chinese goods built on exploitation of workers?”. On top of that: no-one made an argument for outsourcing here, as specifically, this is an article about something aimed at achieving the opposite - and Chinas sour reaction to it.
Then you moved on to:
“I believe that we should dismantle capitalism and abolish profit and exploitation. I am just pointing out the contradictions in pro-capitalist rhetoric and meeting people where they are and trying to help them to the next rung on the ladder of class consciousness.”
What contradictions in pro-capitalist rhetoric are you referring to? Because the fallacy in your opening statement (concerning “competition” has already been pointed out.
Then you say:
“Good luck persuading the ruling class, who control the state, to accept a drop in productivity in return for improved working conditions.”, to which I pointed out it is either that or being out of business completely. Somehow, I haven’t heard an answer from you on that.
If your position is more than trying to make some “gotchas” on “capitalism”, which in this case doesn’t work properly, I’d love to hear it, but looking at the journey from your initial comment to your last, it is a bit hard to follow what exactly you want your point to be. So, instead of cheap personal attacks, let’s rather exchange thoughts.
Indeed, I don’t understand your entire argument. That’s why I kept asking questions on things you said. If you don’t actually want that, fine by me!
And yet, there’s not a single question in your previous comment, just a lot of weak arguments and claims that I hold positions I specifically stated I do not hold.
You don’t want to actually discuss and understand my position, you want to debate a pro-China strawman. You don’t need me to win an argument in your head. Take care.
Yea… no.
This was your opening statement here:
"capitalists: competition is so good, it encourages innovation and ensures the best value for consumers!
china: competes
capitalists: 😡😡😡"
Various people here explained to you why this is not “competition”, but skewing competition.
Then you said:
“My point is, if the labor prices are so low, why should western capitalists benefit from them, through outsourcing, rather than us consumers and Chinese companies splitting the difference with cheaper Chinese goods?”
…which sounds(!) like an argument for “hey consumers, why should you not simply benefit from the cheap Chinese goods built on exploitation of workers?”. On top of that: no-one made an argument for outsourcing here, as specifically, this is an article about something aimed at achieving the opposite - and Chinas sour reaction to it.
Then you moved on to:
“I believe that we should dismantle capitalism and abolish profit and exploitation. I am just pointing out the contradictions in pro-capitalist rhetoric and meeting people where they are and trying to help them to the next rung on the ladder of class consciousness.”
What contradictions in pro-capitalist rhetoric are you referring to? Because the fallacy in your opening statement (concerning “competition” has already been pointed out.
Then you say:
“Good luck persuading the ruling class, who control the state, to accept a drop in productivity in return for improved working conditions.”, to which I pointed out it is either that or being out of business completely. Somehow, I haven’t heard an answer from you on that.
If your position is more than trying to make some “gotchas” on “capitalism”, which in this case doesn’t work properly, I’d love to hear it, but looking at the journey from your initial comment to your last, it is a bit hard to follow what exactly you want your point to be. So, instead of cheap personal attacks, let’s rather exchange thoughts.