The “obvious reasons” come from the drama I tried to summarize in this comment: https://lemmy.ml/post/47022286/25575766

If we go down to the core of the issue, there’s a fundamental disagreement between some instances on a niche use case: can the modlog be used for permanent slander, without giving people the option to reply?

Dbzer0, quokk.au and anarchist.nexus instance admins didn’t see the value in allowing admins to act on other instances modlogs. Rimu and other people in the Piefed staff were interested in this, hence the new feature regarding the modlog.

There was some additional tension between Quokk.au admins and Rimu on the way he handled the AI moderation disclosure, leading to a quokk.au admin leaving the channel.

Now remember that all of this only affects Piefed.social. I’ve been a Piefed.zip user for 11 months now, and that’s the instance I recommend to everyone. Even from a federation perspective, Piefed.zip doesn’t defederate from for instance hexbear or lemmygrad (but the Piefed instance blocking is an actual blocking compared to Lemmy’s incomplete one).

Switching between Piefed instances is as easy as it can be.

Some people will see these decisions for Piefed.social and the new Piefed feature as “drama”, but they seem to be a way to deal with what triggered the drama in the first place (slander in modlogs)

Exciting!

It would be nice if crossposting allowed people from both instance to see and answer in the same message.

Piefed does this.

And nobody used that as a Reddit alternative, due to missing the federation aspect.

What I should have said above is: you can fork Lemmy, Piefed, Mbin, use that fork on an instance and connect to the Fediverse. That’s the major difference with Reddit or Facebook.

You can’t fork Reddit or Facebook and then federate with them.

Pievolution is a Piefed forks that removes this feature (as well ad other stuff)

https://codeberg.org/Situation0262/Pievolution

It’s not completely ready yet.

By the way, thank you for your work on lazysoci.al

Are we supposed to bring back the whole history every time Rimu comments anywhere?

• an anarchist.nexus admin calls for murder of Zionists in their username
• a LW admin and Rimu gets qualified as Zionists in dbzer0 community modlogs
• LW defederates anarchist.nexus
• Rimu bans that admin
• that anarchist.nexus admin changes their username and steps down as admin
• LW refederates anarchist.nexus
• Rimu asks the dbzer0 staff to act on the modlog calling him a Zionist, no action is taken, the dbzer0 staff advices him to ignore that
• Rimu discovers that a dbzer0 mod has been using a LLM for moderation. That mod has been somehow pretending to use OpenAI to upset the !fuckai crowd, actually it was a local freeware model. He posts about it.
• a dbzer0 admin reverts the ban calling Rimu a Zionist after I asked
• Rimu is still upset, doesn’t take the previous action into account and keeps the post about LLM moderation up
• You bring it up here

Now, listen, db0: we’ve discussed a lot in the past, you know I like what you do, I support you and your instance most of the time. But that’s also true for Rimu and Piefed. I think it’s pointless to try to count points and see who was wrong when by how much. From my perspective, there were issues from all sides during that whole story.

Bringing it up every time anyone involved comments somewhere doesn’t seem relevant, and will just start another round of “you were wrong”, “I was wrong because you were wrong” etc. It can be endless, and most of the people are tired of that whole story.

Take care.

https://fedinsfw.app/ is there for you

So at the end of the day, you seem to be calling someone a “bit of a twat” based on policy decisions. Someone who’s donated loads of his personal time, effort and brainwaves to a community project for loads of others to enjoy. Can’t say that sounds particularly cool to me, mate.

Good summary

There’s this comment from 1 hour ago: https://piefed.social/post/2035211#comment_11215538

In this specific case, even the dbzer0 admin agreed it was undeserved:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=7015938

Which other removals from Piefed.social are you referring to?

Is that supposed to make it better?

Rimu is not a Zionist. It’s this wrong accusation that escalated the tensions. I’ll clarify my comment.

Those removal happened in the context of a mod calling Rimu a zionist (which he’s not)

It didn’t happen out of nowhere.

Others are doing the same thing. This isn’t “weird” or bad judgment. I don’t like Kaplan but they did nothing wrong here.

What I’m saying is that even though admins know there were some opinions in the software, they still started Piefed instances. And that’s in a world where Lemmy exists.

In other words, every instance admins assesses whether the additional Piefed features make it worth it to accept the opinionated aspect of the software.

That’s the main value of Piefed here, and that’s why so many people prefer it compared to Lemmy. All the features people wanted, be it users, mods, admins, Rimu delivered them, and fast.

They’re still doing the bad thing.

Doing something, even imperfectly, but listening to the users, still seem valuable to a lot of people. Some people obviously dislike it a lot, and expect the software to be written be a perfect person, but the devs behind Lemmy, Piefed and Mbin all have their flaws.

Comparing a single open source developer to one of the biggest tech corporations worldwide doesn’t really seem relevant.

Adds in things the higher ups felt was needed.

Who are the higher ups in this case? There’s no Piefed board of management or investors to answer to.

All of that being said, I’m looking forward the day Pievolution can be run easily, then every instance can make their own choices, and these endless debates will end.

The code is open source, nobody bothers to read it. If that’s supposed to be obfuscation, then that’s not really effective.

I guess the month long conversation I had with Kaplan, head admin of Lemmy.world, about unfucking Piefed because Rimu filled it with his opinionated garbage didn’t happen.

So Kaplan knew about the “garbage”, but still wanted to go on and keep running Piefed.world?

Either Kaplan’s judgement is supposed to be relied on, or not, but that argument seems weird to say the least.

which can be opted, granted, but after a HEATED discussion in the piefed matrix

So it is opted. That people have to convince Rimu to make changes isn’t really an argument. People have to also convince the Lemmy devs to make changes on a regular basis, with less success.

Piefed is infected with Rimu’s extreme opinionated garbage and he only backs down and puts them into a toggle after someone notices it.

I personally prefer Rimu taking feedback into account and then making changes than Lemmy devs bluntly closing feature requests widely upvoted by the community because “reasons”

Let’s be honest here, it’s not like there are so many options we can choose from.

Also, the example you gave about shows more than anything else that Rimu did change his mind.

“All the settings in this screenshot are off by default”

I have an Mbin account I don’t really use, because I prefer Piefed features (personal feed similar to multireddits, comments consolidation) compared to Mbin (microblogging support).

It’s really a personal decision.

Also not sure why you suddenly have it in for our instance recently.

Being labelled as a Zionist is probably the reason.

When this was discussed last week with db0, db0 said to just move on as people tend to call everyone a lot of things on the Internet.

On the other hand, it could also be expected than instance admins take actions against this type of disinformation. Dbzer0 staff prefers not too for ideological reasons, but that’s the core of the disagreement: should instance admins allow mods to spread disinformation in modlogs?